Points Race

[Cig Smoke]

But u also use point differential as a tie breaker and such. And Making everyone requalify through TWD was supose to make the league more competative, that was everyone's arguement why we have to requalify. So games should be closer now. And There should be a rule that HIding to Win is illegal. A ref can see when someone isnt fighting or attacking. I can see it they should be able to also. I think the 30 minute basing game is a nice traditional rule, keep it. And even if 4 spider isnt decided yet, we are still forced to use a diff ship in TWBD games.

[Sufficient]

I personally like the idea of having a set 30 minute game in which the winner is the team that holds the flag for the most amount of time. So lets say Team 1 holds it for 17 min while Team 2 holds it for 13 min ... thus Team 1 wins w/a +4 min margin. The good thing about this is that it is basically a race to 15 min. However, it keeps every game to a set 30 min. This method also seems like a better way to see "pt margins" or in this case "time margins" btwn teams bc unlike pts where you can gain a +200k pt margin in 1 game vs an easy squad, in the time system, your "time margin" per game is capped at +30 min ... assuming your team holds the flag for the entire game.

This also discourages teams from hiding bc it's based on the amount of time a team holds the flag. Then there's no pt to hiding if you're gonna lose flag time.

To me, the idea of time based basing also reinforces the idea of HOLDING the flag, not just making flag touches. You might see a team making flag touches at the dings ... but not holding the flag for the majority of the game. Should they really be gaining the ding pts even thought they're only touching the flag at the dings and not holding the flag throughout the game? I know it's kinda stupid issue, but yeah, I think time based basing is more about the team while pts basing emphasizes more on the individual performance.

[Stabwound]

I really like the idea of point or time races, instead of a set 20 or 30 minute game. The reasons are obvious, but one that I didn't see anyone mention is that this gives any team an oppertunity to win at any point in the game. In the timed games, there is a certain point where it is impossible for the other team to win. This way, you always have a chance to win, even if the other team needs only 5k points and then they lose the flag.

Also, now that I think of it, the flag dings are kinda unfair. I'm pretty sure that they aren't related to the ?time at all- just a continual 2 minute timer. It would be cool (although probably impossible) if the 2 minute timer reset every time the flag went to the other team. That way, you would get a reward for holding the flag for 2 minutes, not just maybe getting a random 200 points. The only way to do that though, would probably be to make the bot itself give the points every 2 minutes, instead of the bell doing it.

[Ekko]

I like the new idea, it would prevent hiding, but what if the other team drags the game on by not attacking for a really long time... like say Squad A vs Squad B, squad a is losing so they hide for a sufficient amount of time until 1 or 2 people from Squad B have to go.. then they would have a huge advantage and be able to win it, this doesn't really apply to TWL but it could happen in TWD many many times...

[apt]

Yeah I like the point race and the Flag hold idea as well. The thing I hate about BD's is feeling rushed when it's less than 10 mins and the opposing team has a 20k+ lead on you.

Now with the points race you can try a few things , maybe send a jav to roof , have some fun. Instead of feeling the pressure of time baring down on you.

[geekbot]

Apt, I don't think points race shouldn't take away any competitiveness (is that a word?). Even if the time isn't against you, the other team is still charging towards the point target. What's good though is you're never "too far behind" where you can't catch up and people start giving up. And you can't win by hiding.

I love points race, I think it's better. But I think agree with Cig Smoke about not putting it into TWD/TWL. A 30 minute game is long enough, with the possibility of an even longer game seems too much. Maybe for TWL where you know when the matches are but how are people going to have enough on for TWD matches that could possibly go for 40 minutes? I'll never get to eat dinner, people.

[Brink]

Originally posted by Pure_Luck
Seems like a fun alternative to a standard game.

First of all, I really enjoy the point race idea, but I think there's one thing you all are forgetting about here. I'm going to go ahead and call it the "61* dilemma" because it directly relates to the former situation that baseball dealt with a while back with the homerun record. When you start changing around the rules of a game to the point where the game is entirely different (i.e. switching from a timed game to a point-race), the past records/feats are rendered meaningless.

I don't know, maybe that's something that the general population is willing to give up but I think you'd better go ahead and take off the past champions on the TWLB map, as what they accomplished now means dicksquat.

The only other thing I can think of would be to make a separate league, or a separate division for this point-race basing. Which also opens up other aspects for other leagues. For instance, TWLD games could be played for points for a set amount of time (like the current basing).

Just my two cents, take it as you will.

[Mayo Inc.]

caps deciding is fun

[Stabwound]

!challenge Melee:Points Race
!challenge Spastic:Normal
!challenge Anti-Scrub:Time Race

[JacKieChan>]

Too many changes

Why are there SO many ideas aobut changes all of a sudden?

It seems like there has been so many suggestions for changes lately.

Some small change over time is good...too much at once is bad.

The only other thing I can think of would be to make a separate league, or a separate division for this point-race basing. Which also opens up other aspects for other leagues. For instance, TWLD games could be played for points for a set amount of time (like the current basing).

I thought about that but I bet that would kill both leagues b/c there wouldn't be enough people to run both.

Maybe we can impliment some of these as suggested in new arenas and see how they fly. Too much change is bad, some some change is good to keep the game fresh.

[JacKieChan>]

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Originally posted by Stabwound
!challenge Melee:Points Race
!challenge Spastic:Normal
!challenge Anti-Scrub:Time Race

Interesting Idea. If that was TWD, how would the ladder points to calcuated? The same for each type of match?

[Randedl]

take full charges out of dd/jd/wbduel/javduel

if you are worried about teams hiding, maybe you could think about giving a bonus to the team that holds the flag at the end of the game? just an idea

[Fit of Rage]

Personally, I think that that the system we have right now is fine.

[Galleleo]

I never heard anyone whine about the system of 20 or 30 min matches, and if a team hides, they lose. Thats the rule, just be strict, if you see the terr hide, the team loses. I like it better just a specific time, and most points wins.

[Cig Smoke]

Exactly Gall, U can see when a terr is hidding and refusing to take base, even if the spiders aer "attacking". Just be strict about it. And competative squads who plan on making playoffs all wont stop fighting till the end. The tie breakers are done by +/- point differential (unless changed) So they got insentive to get back in base and get them points back, EVEN if they know they'll lose. And geek is rite also, if u have 2 good teams goin at it with lots of flag changes, it could take longer then the 30 minutes to get that amount. And whoever said to
!challenge blah;point race
!challenge blah:normal

those are things not needed in the matchbot, it seems that is is goin to take long enuff making the matchbots now w/o these up and sudden ideas that arent needed. We keep making changes in TWLB and TWL wont start till Next fall. I was all on ur guys side for making new matchbots and making it all sturdy and shit, but now ur just pushing it w/ useless crap. Fix the thigns that NEED to be fixed and get it on the road.