First squad to get kicked or dissolve?

[Foreign]

Time to state the obvious. Most of the people in this thread who want grapevine gone don't want this out of principle. Either they a) want a better chance of winning twld (which won't happen anyway) or b) have something personal against either i) staff or ii) a player on grapevine. And if anyone claims otherwise then he or she doesn't want the squad banned. You may say what you want, but men are corrupt, including me, and we will 99% of the time look for our own advantage. I just don't have anything against grapevine, and I'm confident my squad will suckerpunch theirs from around a corner.

[Na$]

I don't care what will happen as long as the same rules will be applied to each squad equally.

As for Mythril, kinda shame that you did it. Not that it matters but I think you were doing a good job in gaining respect while leading Grapevine. For me you have become a far better person than some years ago. If I was a TWD/TWL staffer I might have even given you a second chance to lead Grapevine during TWL.

[MILOS]

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Too many comments on this subject. GV should not be banned because Mythril cheated. It was a stupid decision on his part, but banning GV would be pointless. I'll admit, GV out of TWL would surely make my job easier... but that doesn't mean I think it should be done. People here are mainly thinking of their own interests, which I guess is understandable. <_<

For him, it's already punishment enough not being able to play for one year, and not being able to play in TWL. On top of that he let down his squad and probably lost some trust with his ex-squadies.

I also believe that he didn't cheat in DD matches. I've played many against him many times, never noticed anything out of the ordinary. JD/BD I really can't comment on, but as far as DD/LD is concerned, GV is clear all the way.

As far as Mythril's comment to King Baba: he is indeed a very important player on UF! Just how important? You'll see this season.

[King Baba]

As far as Mythril's comment to King Baba: he is indeed a very important player on UF! Just how important? You'll see this season.

No cheats included.

Sorry I'll stop prodding at that subject now. Mythril dude, on a serious note, we all make mistakes that we look back upon and wonder what the hell we were thinking. This is just a game with spaceships flying around, but it's a game we play to win. I think we can all agree that TW and TWD have a degree of competition that makes us keep coming back, even more so in TWL.

The most anyone of us can do at a point we wish to go back in our lives than to just learn from what you did. Don't beat yourself up over it, but don't forget about it and don't say you've learned your lesson already.

[Stabwound]

in a different way.
you answered your question right there.

It was a different way, but the end result was the same-- cheated TWD points-- and Bosshawk's case was arguably less severe; he wasn't even banned from the game.

[PaulOakenfold]

Time to state the obvious. Most of the people in this thread who want grapevine gone don't want this out of principle.

Really? I could swear the people bringing up the valid points were the people that actually cared about the principle of the matter. I think the only reason you think this is because every time a GV member comes on, he blames us for complaining because of the fact that we want an easier season or have some sort of vendetta. None of them go back and read the whole thread, and if they do, the ignore the unbiased claims.

[Kid Kaos]

Because you act like our whole squad was cheating Paul. Jesus just give it a rest people.

Izor, yea I do remeber that and I still think it was an interesting situation. But the main reason I was mad was because I felt you were using a cheat ON ME, instead of using one to help yourself. And now days I really dont give a shit about that whole thing.

[Foreign]

Really? I could swear the people bringing up the valid points were the people that actually cared about the principle of the matter. I think the only reason you think this is because every time a GV member comes on, he blames us for complaining because of the fact that we want an easier season or have some sort of vendetta. None of them go back and read the whole thread, and if they do, the ignore the unbiased claims.

i'm more pointing out the fact the we all have imperfect motives, which makes discussion a little pointless. the fact that it's being argued by people without the power to act speaks to that more than i ever could.

[Liquid Blue]

I'm not biased at all and I think the squad should be kicked along with the leader. Until there are harsh rules like that put into effect, people will continue cheating. If you kick GV out I bet people will think twice before cheating, but if you let them slide and only ban the person cheating...

A person is much more wililng to cheat if he/she knows that they will be the only one affected/punished. If you are in a squad and are close with your mates, and are trying to win/get far in TWL, you won't want to jepordize your squads chances if you know that everyone will get banned if you cheat. Harsh rules for harsh times, you want the cheaters to stop cheating, this is a way to start.

[Stabwound]

I'm not biased at all and I think the squad should be kicked along with the leader. Until there are harsh rules like that put into effect, people will continue cheating. If you kick GV out I bet people will think twice before cheating, but if you let them slide and only ban the person cheating...

A person is much more wililng to cheat if he/she knows that they will be the only one affected/punished. If you are in a squad and are close with your mates, and are trying to win/get far in TWL, you won't want to jepordize your squads chances if you know that everyone will get banned if you cheat. Harsh rules for harsh times, you want the cheaters to stop cheating, this is a way to start.

Well that's what I'm talking about with Bohemians. I was on that squad at the time, and what happened was Bosshawk created a fake squad in TWD and challenged it so that they would forfiet and we would get points. SuperMet figured it out somehow, and told Pure_Luck who banned the squad from TWL, and we were going to be in it; Bosshawk was banned from both TWD and TWL. The whole squad got screwed out of TWL.

Like I said before, the net result was the same thing. My squad, Bohemians, as well as Grapevine, cheated and got TWD points because of it. I'm looking at Grapevine's TWBD record and Mythril terred in many if not most of the games. He said he only cheated in terr.

I have nothing to gain from this; I don't think I will even be playing in TWL. I just want fair action taken: my squad got fucked over in TWL6, so the same thing should happen to a squad who's captain cheats in TWL9.

[Sufficient]

The smartest thing to do in a situation like this would be to strip the pts that Mythril played in TWD. I dunno if this is possible tho especially since it affects both GV and every team they played with when Mythril was in the game. Perhaps that can be a feature in the next update of the TWD website.

[Izor]

you'll suckerpunch them from the other conference foreign? I dont see what liquid and stab can gain from them being thrown out..I'm obviously biased but theyre not

[Foreign]

I'm not biased at all...

my ass. let someone else say you aren't biased. anyone?

[Displaced]

liquid hit the nail on the head..

i personally want cheaters to get the maximum punishment, screw them and screw the squad they are on, that would help get rid of cheating, period.

[Nickname]

still was 3 seasons ago stabwound, and theres been several TWL coordinaters since then, since the job overhaul is so often, everything gets fucked, you can't expect continuity. If you feel the need to kick GV from TWLB, i'm pretty sure they don't care, since they're not exactly a TWLB powerhouse.

I can understand stripping any points for when mythril terr'd, that makes sense, and if that removes GV from TWLB then so be it.


As far as the "if someone cheats they should all be banned rule" thats about as smart as saying if someone jaywalks they should be put to death. You're argument that severe consequences means people will think twice about it, well let's kill anybody who jaywalks, and that way we won't have any jaywalkers. Go write a letter to your member of parliment and see how far that bill will go.