Bad behaviour during a TWL game from a whole squad from spec.

[Sirius]

Anybody remember Light? Solstice? How about adding Quicksand to that?

Anyways, Izor and the rest of the crew: You guys play your birds pretty well, obviously you've had a lot of practice and it's paid off. Now stick to it. Light crumbled when it came to important games and I think Solstice disbanded before the leagues or something. I'd hate to see it happen to you so keep practicing and take the other squads seriously. - Blood

Solstice was made out of pure pub after I came back from a few years of not playing just as a friend squad for pub fun; couple of weeks later I learned of TWD and TWL and started building up the squad competitively still out of pub stuff, and about 2 months later we got into TWL during Season 6 from the chain of Shriek dropping out (us having 300-400 points higher than 2nd place in TWDD), where we ended up beating Light etc in LD in the final few weeks and then disbanded after the season ended because I felt we accomplished our task of becoming TWL material out of pub. Solstice could only afford known talent after it's inception into TWL since I had no image or reputation to build anything from initially due to being gone for many years and not being a competitive player before that.

Anyway, I was looking at Season 6 TWLD squads and week matchups yesterday and afterwards the full Solstice TWD history that I had somewhere and I had an odd nostalgic mental retrograde by looking at our very first dd's and remembering how I used to think and feel back then, not knowing the squads and the thrill of the challenge of challenging solid competitive squads as a group of seasoned pubbers who were trying to achieve something. I realized how much fun it was back then, whereas it's lacking that feeling now.

It made me realize how much my whole mindset has changed over the years without me realizing or noticing it. Back then going into a DD game against Elusive or Rampage was like going against really tough bosses in video games and trying to overcome them. These days I can't really look up to any squads with that type of competitive feel. I really enjoyed those truly competitive days far more than the boring feeling I get playing now.

It made me want to go back to those days, yet I can't do that because of how my mind has shaped my thoughts on all the squads. I don't know if an opponent squad could impress me like back then anymore due to the lack of sufficient skill difference.

However, I may try it anyway if I end up playing until next league season, and just make a new squad out of purely pub exclusive talent and try to go through those difficult yet rewarding endeavors again.

[Sufficient]

Light is in a class of its own.

[Duclover]

Anybody remember Light? Solstice? How about adding Quicksand to that?

Anyways, Izor and the rest of the crew: You guys play your birds pretty well, obviously you've had a lot of practice and it's paid off. Now stick to it. Light crumbled when it came to important games and I think Solstice disbanded before the leagues or something. I'd hate to see it happen to you so keep practicing and take the other squads seriously. - Blood

Solstice was made out of pure pub after I came back from a few years of not playing just as a friend squad for pub fun; couple of weeks later I learned of TWD and TWL and started building up the squad competitively still out of pub stuff, and about 2 months later we got into TWL during Season 6 from the chain of Shriek dropping out (us having 300-400 points higher than 2nd place in TWDD), where we ended up beating Light etc in LD in the final few weeks and then disbanded after the season ended because I felt we accomplished our task of becoming TWL material out of pub. Solstice could only afford known talent after it's inception into TWL since I had no image or reputation to build anything from initially due to being gone for many years and not being a competitive player before that.

Anyway, I was looking at Season 6 TWLD squads and week matchups yesterday and afterwards the full Solstice TWD history that I had somewhere and I had an odd nostalgic mental retrograde by looking at our very first dd's and remembering how I used to think and feel back then, not knowing the squads and the thrill of the challenge of challenging solid competitive squads as a group of seasoned pubbers who were trying to achieve something. I realized how much fun it was back then, whereas it's lacking that feeling now.

It made me realize how much my whole mindset has changed over the years without me realizing or noticing it. Back then going into a DD game against Elusive or Rampage was like going against really tough bosses in video games and trying to overcome them. These days I can't really look up to any squads with that type of competitive feel. I really enjoyed those truly competitive days far more than the boring feeling I get playing now.

It made me want to go back to those days, yet I can't do that because of how my mind has shaped my thoughts on all the squads. I don't know if an opponent squad could impress me like back then anymore due to the lack of sufficient skill difference.

However, I may try it anyway if I end up playing until next league season, and just make a new squad out of purely pub exclusive talent and try to go through those difficult yet rewarding endeavors again.

Sorry you feel that way bro.....i'm havin fun....both in the arena and out of it. These lil "who can piss farther" fights are actually entertaining to me and I think deep down most of these guys are just trying too hard to get a rise outta each other and being mildly successful at best....as someone said a few posts back....shut it down theres nothing positive resulting from this. BTW... still got the hair? :-)

[MILOS]

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Yes that's all true. No more "power-house" squads and I don't think they can really be created. A lot of players have gotten better that were previously non-existent and are competing.

I think that's good though. Just shows that the popularity of the game rose, at least the competitive aspects of it. Pubs used to be far more popular then they are now, and a few actually skilled squads used to easily dominate. Today is a different story, and the same Elusive and Rampage would be much less effective. Nothing wrong with that, just takes more work to win a TWL and there is much more uncertainty as to who can do it. Only makes the game more fun in my opinion.

[Depre]

You left and joined a squad roughly 85 times in two years. Impressive.
http://twl.trenchwars.org/index.php?...nUserID=160446

hooly shit

[Depre]

Yes that's all true. No more "power-house" squads and I don't think they can really be created. A lot of players have gotten better that were previously non-existent and are competing.

I think that's good though. Just shows that the popularity of the game rose, at least the competitive aspects of it. Pubs used to be far more popular then they are now, and a few actually skilled squads used to easily dominate. Today is a different story, and the same Elusive and Rampage would be much less effective. Nothing wrong with that, just takes more work to win a TWL and there is much more uncertainty as to who can do it. Only makes the game more fun in my opinion.

I'd have to agree with that. I think if you bring back the old elusive and siege and have them play twl, they would not be as strong as they seemed back in the day.

I haven't played long enough to see either squad play (started at around 2004), but only making an assumption seeing as how the overall skill of tw players increases every year

[demonfaze]

I'd have to agree with that. I think if you bring back the old elusive and siege and have them play twl, they would not be as strong as they seemed back in the day.

I haven't played long enough to see either squad play (started at around 2004), but only making an assumption seeing as how the overall skill of tw players increases every year

I pretty much disagree with everything Depre and MILOS said. I do believe there are still "power-house" squads, that is why the same squads get predicted to win TWL every season. I do believe if you brought back the same Elusive/Rampage/Siege from before with their starters in shape (a lot have gone inactive or quit the game) they would still be among the power-house squads of today and be a dominate team. Maybe if you're talking about the early TWL days near the beginning when styles probably weren't all that developed and the teamwork may of been mediocre i'll give you that, but from Siege, to Elusive, and Rampage etc. I haven't seen a gigantic increase in competition. As a matter of fact, Rampage was a much tougher squad to play against in season 6, than any squad was in season 7 for TWLD that is.

The overall skill of players maybe increasing every year (I really haven't noticed a big increase within the last few seasons) but the top players are always the same every season. Where are these new players that have gotten good and are now competing? I haven't seen many stand outs besides the usuals. Being good is one thing but I have yet to see any new players reach the level of other top older players like banzi, blood, vihta, fireballz, sika etc. If any of those players I just mentioned were playing today and active they would still be among the top players in the game, and probably be on the dominate squads that would as usual be predicted to win TWL. Sika is still among the top players today, fireballz when he was playing a few months back was still among the top players and they both have been around forever.

One thing I will give you though is that in the past the skill gap was much wider between the top players and everyone else than it is now.

[Miku19]

So far three squads are 9-0. Syndicate's and Dice's schedules have been a lot easier than Disoblige's. Therefore we can agree that Disoblige is the powerhouse squad of this season.

Good luck guys, we're gonna go triple.

[MILOS]

I pretty much disagree with everything Depre and MILOS said. I do believe there are still "power-house" squads, that is why the same squads get predicted to win TWL every season. I do believe if you brought back the same Elusive/Rampage/Siege from before with their starters in shape (a lot have gone inactive or quit the game) they would still be among the power-house squads of today and be a dominate team. Maybe if you're talking about the early TWL days near the beginning when styles probably weren't all that developed and the teamwork may of been mediocre i'll give you that, but from Siege, to Elusive, and Rampage etc. I haven't seen a gigantic increase in competition. As a matter of fact, Rampage was a much tougher squad to play against in season 6, than any squad was in season 7 for TWLD that is.

The overall skill of players maybe increasing every year (I really haven't noticed a big increase within the last few seasons) but the top players are always the same every season. Where are these new players that have gotten good and are now competing? I haven't seen many stand outs besides the usuals. Being good is one thing but I have yet to see any new players reach the level of other top older players like banzi, blood, vihta, fireballz, sika etc. If any of those players I just mentioned were playing today and active they would still be among the top players in the game, and probably be on the dominate squads that would as usual be predicted to win TWL. Sika is still among the top players today, fireballz when he was playing a few months back was still among the top players and they both have been around forever.

One thing I will give you though is that in the past the skill gap was much wider between the top players and everyone else than it is now.

Would you consider Syndicate a powerhouse squad? How about -F-? Surely you would. Now... would you consider UF a powerhouse squad? No way! Now to prove my point, if UF played -F- or Synd "seriously" for say, 10 matches... I'll guarantee you at least 4 wins for the underdogs.

How can you say you haven't noticed a big increase in skill level? I have noticed a huge increase in skill level. The fact that more and more people are catching up to the vets in terms of skill is simply a reality. The people you named (i.e. Sika, Vihta, Blood etc.) are more figureheads then they are warbirds (with the notable exception of Sika) and are pretty much ineffective today. Maybe it's because of activity... perhaps... I think it's mostly because of a lack of motivation to play. If you've won TWL 3 times, you're probably not too motivated to win it a 4th time. That's normal because we are after all human.

The same squads do get "predicted" to win TWLs each season, or at least the same groups of players (the traditional vets). That's only because in this game, as in any real sport, names are what people look at not skill. Ironically enough, all the vets seem to stick together also. But even they are looking outside for new “talent”. –Final- and even Syndicate have both recruited players that are definitely not, reputation wise, where Demonfaze would be for example.

All this is perfectly normal though, and I assure you that in a few seasons there will basically be no guarantees with any TWL squad matchups and qualifying for TWL itself will be an accomplishment.

[R1pp3r]

I think a few people might catch up to the skill level somewhat but mostly it’s because the good players that were mentioned are losing their peaks for a number of reasons and it thus appears like people are catching up to them.
There will be no guarantees with any TWL squad matchups when more and more of the good old players becomes more inactive or lose interest and not because new players becomes more skilled. I think it will be hard to beat the competitive level that existed a few years ago. At that time rookies popped up from nowhere and became really good like escalate, demonfaze, raspi and many more… (Which I haven’t seen happen much after that) at the same time, many good old vets still played and were active making it very competitive. Somewhere after season 6, the competitive level started to go down and after that, I haven’t seen that many good players active all at once. I haven’t been around for a while but I doubt it changed over a few months.

[Doc Flabby]

I think a few people might catch up to the skill level somewhat but mostly it’s because the good players that were mentioned are losing their peaks for a number of reasons and it thus appears like people are catching up to them.
There will be no guarantees with any TWL squad matchups when more and more of the good old players becomes more inactive or lose interest and not because new players becomes more skilled. I think it will be hard to beat the competitive level that existed a few years ago. At that time rookies popped up from nowhere and became really good like escalate, demonfaze, raspi and many more… (Which I haven’t seen happen much after that) at the same time, many good old vets still played and were active making it very competitive. Somewhere after season 6, the competitive level started to go down and after that, I haven’t seen that many good players active all at once. I haven’t been around for a while but I doubt it changed over a few months.

For a player like me (unknown) to break into one of the TWL squads its next to impossible - maybe thats part of the problem...It sounds to me that before it was much easier to get a shot at the top level...

[pascone]

it's not that hard to get onto a twl squad. it can be harder to play in games on the other hand if your captains only play certain players which tends to happen

[RATTY...]

Small player pool (the old days), less competition, less good people.

Bigger player pool (now), more competion, more good people. Cause they get to play against other people with high skill level, they develop further. Where in the old days where only a few were good, and it was hard to duel against them.

And the the WB techniques have developed, people don't play the same style as before.

I remember jacking back and forth were popular when I was new, it's non existant today. And the rushing has developed, some of it into suicide-rush where you blindly rush in (qs, Heavy), works great when you have the luck with you, fatal if not. It was all sniping when the resolution wasn't capped back in the days.

EDIT: Suicide rush is a bad thing cause it doesn't require skills, my point was that there's lots of ways to rush.

[demonfaze]

Would you consider Syndicate a powerhouse squad? How about -F-? Surely you would. Now... would you consider UF a powerhouse squad? No way! Now to prove my point, if UF played -F- or Synd "seriously" for say, 10 matches... I'll guarantee you at least 4 wins for the underdogs.

How can you say you haven't noticed a big increase in skill level? I have noticed a huge increase in skill level. The fact that more and more people are catching up to the vets in terms of skill is simply a reality. The people you named (i.e. Sika, Vihta, Blood etc.) are more figureheads then they are warbirds (with the notable exception of Sika) and are pretty much ineffective today. Maybe it's because of activity... perhaps... I think it's mostly because of a lack of motivation to play. If you've won TWL 3 times, you're probably not too motivated to win it a 4th time. That's normal because we are after all human.

The same squads do get "predicted" to win TWLs each season, or at least the same groups of players (the traditional vets). That's only because in this game, as in any real sport, names are what people look at not skill. Ironically enough, all the vets seem to stick together also. But even they are looking outside for new “talent”. –Final- and even Syndicate have both recruited players that are definitely not, reputation wise, where Demonfaze would be for example.

All this is perfectly normal though, and I assure you that in a few seasons there will basically be no guarantees with any TWL squad matchups and qualifying for TWL itself will be an accomplishment.

Yes I do consider Syndicate and Final to both be power-house squads, and you're right I wouldn't consider United Force to be a power-house squad. How is what you said proving your point? You just gave an opinion of what you think would happen. We have a difference of opinion because I think if UF played -F- or Synd "seriously" with both teams having top lines in for 10 matches, I believe UF would only come out with about 2 wins against both teams.

The people that you mentioned as being ineffective today are only that because they stopped playing or are inactive. They are not more figureheads then they are warbirds, they became figureheads because of how good they were at warbirds. I played alongside vihta for quite a long time and I know how capable he is in warbird, and if he didn't lose interest in this game he'd still be among the top players today. Same goes for Blood, if he wasn't inactive for such a long period of time and actually cared, he'd still be among the top as well. I don't think it has anything to do with people catching up to their skill level, it has to do with these particular people lost interest in the game or became inactive/stopped caring.

I don't see where you're getting at with that comment about how people look at names not skill. The people with the "names" are generally the people with the skill, that is how they got these big names to begin with, with their skill. That is why these same teams are being predicted and winning TWL each season. Also yeah Final and Synd do recruit new outside talent, they pretty much have to if they want a roster, because a lot of older players either retired or went inactive, they have to be replaced. You can't fill up an entire roster with older active players. That is the way it is every season though. Going back to Siege, not everyone on that squad had the rep of banzi, blood, fieryfire etc, same thing with Elusive and Rampage. So of course you need to recruit outside talent.

[Izor]

Syndicate is still the squad to beat, and I would consider them the 'powerhouse squad', but the other squads in this TWL are a lot more competitive than in the past, and that is why there have been a few big upsets so far