Base map and cramming

[Louis XV]

Open it up a little bit and let us fucking use levs and weasels you fucking newbies you.

:wub:

[brookus]

But very aggressive pushing that's done as a team forces more of these mistakes.

No, it doesn't. You'd think that it should. It certainly seems reasonable. But it doesn't work like that in practice. People consistently saying "aggressive pushing/playing is the key" doesn't make it true.

Go back to Kuuk's initial post. The problem is that nothing breaks crams consistently. An aggressive offense will certainly break a cram eventually. But when it takes 5+ minutes for that to happen, something is wrong. What is needed is balance in the defense and offense. As it is, the defense has *everything* in its favor.

I'm certainly not suggesting that there should be a defensive break every 2 minutes in every game. A dominating team would still dominate when defense/offense setups are balanced. What we should see is evenly matched teams spend more time fighting in the flagroom than fighting in the entrance.

llater,
Tony B

[Jeenyuss]

test flub's idea in base.

not only does it give the cram a lot of holes so it shouldn't be used, it doesn't degrade the integrity of having under-flag a gaping hole, and it also encourages javelins/wb's with the extra holes. it's a pretty good mean.

[Sufficient]

Everyone is so emotionally attached to the basing map. Just change it already to give it a new breath of fresh air. The whole learning process will make things a lot more interesting and puts everyone on the same even ground to start on.

[CrvenBan]

all the non-basers and ppl with cram-only experience should pack their shit and move from this thread.


yes, cram is easy to break, and yes you can win with 2 specials, BUT the reason why cram is so effective in not because base evolved but it's an exploatation of a wrongly designed map. You do understand that spawn time used to be 3 seconds ? Good luck breaking a cram with that.
Map glitch is what allowed cram to be succesful as it is the only hard choke-point (excpet for scoop in twld playoffs) on the map.

Open it up a little bit and let us fucking use levs and weasels you fucking newbies you.

[MetalHeadz]

Cram is so finely balanced atm. It's closed enough to favour the defending team but still sufficiently open to allow skillfull players to bash it.

No change.

[Mantra-Slider]

I think most people agreed before twl started that there is way too many squads in twlb but pascone, the baser he is, thought different.

[Mythrandir]

I like Flub's suggestion, at first sight.

[Flub]

I cant believe anyone is seriously considering this idea. Imagine in football someone said the game is boring in the middle of the park and much better near the goal so they decided to make the pitch basically two goals next to eachother, it would look like some kind of american sport ffs!!!

Trenchwars is not gonna die we dont need to change anything. Youre all just jumping on a bandwagon.

and noah this isnt an fps so stfu

trenchwars is dying and most of all the basing part of it.
It used to be ?go base 24/7 and at peak hours also a base2

TWL used to be a competition that only the top squads are supposed to be in. In twlb it's now just already hard to find 12 decent squads that can compete. Me being in twlb has proven enough that any noob can get in it.
Changes can be good and can bring new people to this game or even bring back oldies. Just like ph said that he wouldn't be bothered anymore with trying since it's just a stupid cram again.

[Tsumetai]

i dont see what is so dangerous about removing a couple blocks? especially if its for a week or two and only in twbd or hell... use ?go base as a test environment for a few games. if you change the ?go base map for a little bit to feel it out... who are you hurting? dont tell me the ?go base people, theyre worthless anyways. so just grow like 1/4 a testicle. you dont need more than that to try out one small change for a little while.

Nice straw man thar.

[Noah]

I cant believe anyone is seriously considering this idea. Imagine in football someone said the game is boring in the middle of the park and much better near the goal so they decided to make the pitch basically two goals next to eachother, it would look like some kind of american sport ffs!!!

Trenchwars is not gonna die we dont need to change anything. Youre all just jumping on a bandwagon.

and Noah this isnt an fps so stfu

Oh the irony of you telling me to stfu because I compared it to other computer games in the SAME post as you are comparing it to a sport.

I also find it funny how you assume that this is a bandwagon, rather than a majority growing tired of doing the same shit over and over.

[Ronn]

I cant believe anyone is seriously considering this idea. Imagine in football someone said the game is boring in the middle of the park and much better near the goal so they decided to make the pitch basically two goals next to eachother, it would look like some kind of american sport ffs!!!

Trenchwars is not gonna die we dont need to change anything. Youre all just jumping on a bandwagon.

and noah this isnt an fps so stfu

[Zeebu]

i dont see what is so dangerous about removing a couple blocks? especially if its for a week or two and only in twbd or hell... use ?go base as a test environment for a few games. if you change the ?go base map for a little bit to feel it out... who are you hurting? dont tell me the ?go base people, theyre worthless anyways. so just grow like 1/4 a testicle. you dont need more than that to try out one small change for a little while.

[Tsumetai]

Oh, you're so witty PH. Have my babies, please.

[PH]

Interesting tidbit of the day: The cram got its name from the fact that it's about as fun as cramming a full-grown watermelon into your anus.