4 spid limit and 3 rounds-thoughts?

[freddie]

I meant that sharks and terr for example are restricted, thats why people propably dont have problems with making more restrictions. And playing with 4 spids is 9/10 times just stupid decision if you dont have very good special, which most teams dont. So basicly people think that they are forced to play with 5 spids cause thats clearly superior lineup. Too bad quite a many enjoys 4 spids + special. Mental restrictions.

[Pearl Jam]

k is it me or is every1 asking for a spider limit totally retarded?

It's you.

1. there is no limit right now, so teams are allowed to use speicals if you want to use specials by ALL MEANS do so, no one is stopping you. ( just like diso did last season)

2. Why are u restricting on teams from using the superior strategy that has been working for many squads and a strategy that many squads have built there team around, just because a select few dont know how to own it? Squads like Pandora and Dice have perfected this type of strategy, that if one shark doenst hit 3 good reps you know your terr is going to die.

All in all, you guys keep on arguing "let captains" be creative with there lineups, but what your doing is actually restricting that creativity by puting a restriction on the number of spiders a team can use. Right now there are no restrictions, teams can use 3 wbs 2 spiders, 1 jav 1 wb 3 spiders its totally up to the captains will, just dont be angry if a squad uses 5 spiders and stomps the shit outta you. All that means is if you dont wanna use 5 spiders you better come up with a better line.

ALL HAIL KING EELAM

Even though it's pretty silly for me to even argue against someone who ends his post with "All Hail King Eelam", I will go against my better judgment and do so anyway.

You're on a squad that does the 5 spider lineup well, so you should realize how ignorant your comments are. Creativity is restricted by straying from the typical 5 spider lineup? What? That's ridiculous, dude. Anyone who doesn't want to get their face smashed in 90% of the time is going to do 4 wbs and 1 spider. It won't work against the good squads, and you know that. So explain so me how annihilating any chance to try something different is STIFLING creativity.

Besides, at this point, it isn't about restricting spiders, and it sure as fuck isn't about "people that suck at basing trying to get an advantage against the l33t squads". It's about removing restrictions on ALL ships so you can still run your tried and true 5 spider strategy against a squad with 4 spids/2 terr/2 shark lineup, or a squad with 2 javs/ 3 sharks / 1 spider / 1 terr.

Did squads like Pandora and Dice earn their success in TWLB by being good at what they did? Of course they did! But this is about restoring and creating interest in this league. It needs a shot of adrenaline.

[Capital Knockers]

well you can do 4 spiders 1 special right now as well, dont get your argument, if you want it to be funnier than make ur squad do it. Why you forcing other squads to do it?

Eelam, you're missing the point. I've always been back and forth on this until I see a Pallie come along and remind me how boring 5 spiders are. The problem is, it's just too easy for you guys to throw in 5 spiders, and the other team does the same, because they want to match the firepower. The same twlb 5 spider strat keeps winning twl, and you can say it's a superior tactic, but I think if Pandora or dicE met the old Pallies or Disoblige, you'd be in trouble with 5 spiders while those other teams could have maybe even 2 specials in.

You're point, if I'm correct eelam, is my old one on the issue. Why restrict it? It seems like we're just holding back people right? Wrong. Sure you can still add specials, but with the top squads, always using a 5 spider line, barely any other squads have the balls to try a special. It's old, boring, and stale. I don't like only 8 squads being in LD - I liked 16 even with the problems, but I go with it because I know it will make things better even if that makes it harder for me or my squad to make twl, whatever. Take off all the limits, or make a 4 spider limit. Are those squads that use the 5 spider tactic telling me they've got no one decent in a special? That it's going to RUIN basing with one less spider? For the love of the game, come on, give it a chance.

[Dreamwin]

unbelievable but, I am with eelam in this thing.

[pascone]

It would certainly be much much more fun to watch if there were no limits at all (shark/terr). I have zero interest in basing as it seems like it's supposed to be a mix-up from wb or jav, but it really is just a spider league. Frankly, I think it's the most unfun ship and that's why I'm not really into basing at all.

Why not experiment in TWD for a while or even just go base with no restrictions?

[Vatican Assassin]

After watching TWDTB I can safely say that spider limits would hurt TWL. Sure 5 spiders is boring, I admit, but let's face it. There are not enough teams that have competent base javs or wbs. What you will see is laggy javs and wbs destroying TWLB due to the fact that you have to rep before they shoot. Before this can be remedied, please so not expect a 4 spider limit to be a success.

edit: and by the way, if you think 5 spiders is boring, way til you see 3 sharks. Can you say endless cram in 15 minutes?

[Galleleo]

No limit at all just seems like a shitfest waiting to happen that will get boring after 3 weeks.

I have always been for the 4-spider limit, so that really is no surprise. I think both bwc and twdtb have proved it is a lot more fun. You can put people in a lanc or wb.. it is not that hard to find someone who is decent/good in a wb or lanc in basing.

IF there is not going to be a 4-spid limt, at least up the shipchanges allowed, to like 6-8 or something.

[castromarx]

no spider limit. unlimited ship changes/subs.

I play a lot so I know.

[JeBu]

4 spid limit - yes

[FarScape]

4 spid limit - yes

OMG YOU JUST WANNA JAV! :fear:

[Capital Knockers]

:fear:

OMG YOU JUST WANNA JAV! :fear:

Exactly, and he's a good one so lookout! :fear:

[Pearl Jam]

At this point you can keep whatever redundant lineup you want and just wait for this league and zone to flame out. Either way is fine with me, I'm at a point in my life where I'm mostly too busy to play this regularly anyway. I'm just trying to mix things up because I feel like they need to be mixed up somehow. Small changes were made here and there in TWLB for a good 3-4 years. The 3-4 years after that? Virtually nothing.

Isn't it a little closed-minded to say things like "this will get old and boring in 3 weeks" and "this is a shitfest waiting to happen"? I'm not saying overhaul TWLB immediately with these changes, but it can't hurt to try things out (even though most of you will immediately jump to conclusions and make up your mind way too soon, just like the TW population has usually done).

Change isn't always evil, people.

[eelam <tw>]

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there has been change done for this season, taking away the 2 tiles makes keeping a cram alot harder which means more fr battles and more entertainment.

[Downfall]

Why do people think no limit will work. Can we set up a practise sometime this week to do no limits so i can get a good team to get cram and then change all my spids to shark for an ez win AND watching 7 sharks rep 3 times and die will be a lot more boring.

no spider limit

Keep everything the way it is. Next season make a totally new map for lb.

[Pearl Jam]

there has been change done for this season, taking away the 2 tiles makes keeping a cram alot harder which means more fr battles and more entertainment.

Yeah, that's a good point (that change has been done, not necessarily that it means more entertainment).

Anyway, I'm done arguing my position here. Count my vote towards whatever particular category it fits in.