Thread not about the Thunder sub that cost Pirates the game. Don't worry.

[Chuckle]

Mirrorrim if you can convince me of one thing then I will agree with you and maybe even possibly pull all of the other pirates off ripping on you...

Assume everything you say is right...all your arguments make sense and are sound...

How come ease's bullet that killed me gets to count but my bullet on him doesnt???

I should have gotten +1 during that game or something...and in a 50-47 finish that is huge. Especially when you think of it this way: vys and i would have been in still with a score of 47-48 that difference is only 1 we could have won. You can not deny this...Replay this!!!

[MirrorriM]

Lol dont have a heart attack. Your anger is making you miss key points for the decision. Focusing on one point and some insults doesnt help your case. You want the bot's mistake to be interpreted one way, others interpret it a different way. Multiple people fighting about this doesnt make them more right. There are a lot of silent people out there who dont feel like getting verbally shat on by excessively angry forum people (cept Izor).

Edit: Sorry kthx not counting it as a bot failure.

[kthx]

No I'm just commenting on different parts of different arguments. We can all agree that something happened that shouldnt have.

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If an unpredictable server crash, router failure, server lag, TWBot failure, or other event has a massive impact on a game in progress, the match will be cancelled and all current scores discarded. The game will then be replayed at a later time.

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[Mattey]

No you aren't you dumb cunt. Look the kid gloves are off. You clearly don't know what you are doing because you are a stupid bitch. It's been clearly explained to you BY MULTIPLE PEOPLE, that Ease HAD to get hit by that bullet to get credited with a death. What you saw doesn't matter for 2 reasons.

First reason: you lag.
Second reason: you are a stupid bitch.

Edit: you gave them an extra death because you didn't witness the bullet hit him. SO IT MUST HAVE FOLLOWED HIM INTO SPEC AND HIT HIM THERE. right? Because how else do you explain him getting the death after the bot had said he'd been subbed? Right? Jesus you are retarded, how did you figure out how to use a computer? I'm baffled.

Step down/stop posting.

EDIT: and it's clear you aren't going to change your mind no matter how wrong you are.

[MirrorriM]

WHAT?! You just completely changed your argument for why you don't agree with the appeal.

No I'm just commenting on different parts of different arguments. We can all agree that something happened that shouldnt have. Still no rule against it, and just like the flag jupe appeal, there will be a solution to future situations like this.

Stab: A few people in this thread have talked about it happening before.

[Stabwound]

Ok, you die in the game, then have 0 energy, then spec. How is that possible? One of the game's mechanics is being overlooked here.

????

What are you even trying to say?

[Dwopple]

Like i said, the outcome of the game was CLOSE

its not like this game ended 50-35ish...the game was 50-47 with an extra player in....it was a close fkn game...


and again, were not trying to get thunder d/q'd from TWL

we just want a fair fkn replay

[Izor]

You die in the game, then get specced immediately afterward. The part I'm trying to get you focused on, is that you die in the game

Ok, you die in the game, then have 0 energy, then spec. How is that possible? One of the game's mechanics is being overlooked here.

[Mattey]

This is the first time this has happened in TWL, but I have had this happen in TWD's multiple times. Especially twbd's, but of course it doesn't matter there.

EDIT: I honestly can't believe you're still arguing this Mirrorrim, you are clearly in the wrong.

Your argument is that Ease got an extra death for ???, so you rectified the situation by allowing Ardour to get subbed in. It is clearly explained to you that it's IMPOSSIBLE to die for no reason. So you change your "ease died for ???" to it is a "known bug that ease died for no reason, sometimes the bot-fairies just kill people in spec."

Step down/stop posting.

[Izor]

Yes. I assume you know that the TWL bots delay substitutions after the command is sent? What happened was the !sub command was sent, and during the sub delay, Ease then died. It specced him right away, as it should, and then acted upon the !sub command that was issued before the death.

You obviously know nothing about how the !sub command works, so shut up.

[Stabwound]

How is this a known bug? I have never seen anyone bring it up before. In fact, this is probably the first time this has ever even occurred.

[Mattey]

I agree with this explanation but disagree with the valid appeal. As people have pointed out, this is a known issue. This is like the situation with the flag jupe appeal in a past TWL.

WHAT?! You just completely changed your argument for why you don't agree with the appeal.

EDIT: And it is a known bug. He got subbed immediately after dying. HE SHOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN SUBBED. That's the bug. The bug was him getting subbed, not him dying from being hit. Step down and stop posting.

[Mattey]

But it makes sense to die out and then get subbed? The order of operations doesnt make sense either way we look at it. Which is why sight and the order of what the bot displayed were used in the decision.

I need a facepalm gif.

[MirrorriM]

Yes. I assume you know that the TWL bots delay substitutions after the command is sent? What happened was the !sub command was sent, and during the sub delay, Ease then died. It specced him right away, as it should, and then acted upon the !sub command that was issued before the death. Due to this bug/oversight with the TWL bots, it is entirely possible to have an extra player in the game, which is what happened here. Due to this bug, it is probably possible in TWL to get an extra "life" by substituting any player right as they're about to die.

http://forums.trenchwars.org/showthread.php?t=35981

That is a total and irrefutable explanation as to why they had a valid appeal. "Sight" is completely irrelevant in this case, and this was entirely due to with a bot bug in combination with how the game mechanics work.

I agree with this explanation but disagree with the valid appeal. As people have pointed out, this is a known issue. This is like the situation with the flag jupe appeal in a past TWL.

[Mattey]

Stabwound's argument is completely irrefutable. Any person with knowledge of this game will agree with what he posted and give Pirates a rematch.

if you cant die in spec then when you hit f11 in go javs as a bomb is coming at you, how do you get in spec exactly?

You die in the game, then get specced immediately afterward. The part I'm trying to get you focused on, is that you die in the game