Thread not about the Thunder sub that cost Pirates the game. Don't worry.

[With Ease]

Also, if we are so lame knockers, care to explain this?

http://twl.trenchwars.org/?x=showmatch&match=129

[Mattey]

Ease has been substituted by Ardour, with 1 deaths left
T saetep> yeah
Ease is out. 12 wins 10 losses

And you probably thinks this proves that he DIED WHILE IN SPEC. Jesus, step down.

[kthx]

For those of you in Quicksand, just drop it already. Stop bringing up the problems that you had with sk8, because in case you didn't know this is NOT sk8. Underground and I had absolutely nothing to do with what happened in terms of that saturday game or whatever it was, as Anzu was the person who scheduled games. I was on vacation when it happened also..

Drama always erupts from Thunder in TWL, every year they try to screw somebody over by finding shitty loopholes in the league rather then win games the natural way. On top of this Izor is actually on your side, I however am not because I think it is retarded. Here is a chance for you not to be Sk8, and ask Mirrorrim let this game be replayed. You are both already playoff squads as it is, so it won't even affect anything but at least it will show that your squad doesn't condone stupid fucking decisions for you, and by your asscaps/caps during games.

[Mattey]

Double-post to present something contradictory to what you're saying Mirrorim.

it is literally impossible for the bot to make a mistake in thinking someone died when they didn't. The only way the bot counts a kill is when the player's client itself calculates that he has <0 energy and is dead, and then sends the packet saying that he died. Ease had 10 deaths, and that is because on HIS SCREEN the bullet hit him and he died. It is completely irrelevant what ANY spectator saw in this case.

Address this.

[Turban]

Obviously you can die in spectator freq. *facepalm*

<goes to kill everyone in ?go AFK spectator freq - PEWPEWPEW!> :fear:

The undeniable fact is: He died. Finito. The end. No discussion about "how he didn't die" as that's just complete bulls***.

[Mattey]

its obvious that ease died JUST BEFORE he was subbed, cuz you cant die when youre in spec....

Hmm, I'm not so sure. I eagerly await your reply mirrorrim.


Edit: and of course I'm kidding, of course you can't die in spec, the only thing I haven't been slightly sarcastic about in this thread is that Mirrorrim is in fact, retarded.

[Dwopple]

This is absolutely unbelievable. You were all saying how you had lost respect for Thunder because we appealed the dynasty game, and now you're saying you've lost respect for us because we had an appeal sent against us? Give me a break. For those of you complaining about Mirror and the TWL staff making the decision in one night, get over it. Our appeal was shot down in one night as well.

Is there a specific rule somewhere that says substitutes can only be used to sub players that are performing poorly? NO. Phizey and I agreed before the match that If i was on 9 and in an unfavorable situation that he should probably sub me. At 9 deaths I rushed past chuckle while trying to locate vys, and flew very close to him. Phizey, not being a fucking retard, realized that I was probably going to waste a life because of the proximity to chuckle and therefore subbed me out. The sub just happened to process right as the bullet was hitting me. The idea of subbing someone out when the situation is grim is common sense to me.

For those of you in Quicksand, just drop it already. Stop bringing up the problems that you had with sk8, because in case you didn't know this is NOT sk8. Underground and I had absolutely nothing to do with what happened in terms of that saturday game or whatever it was, as Anzu was the person who scheduled games. I was on vacation when it happened also.

As for ardour, the self-appointed people's hero. I am disappointed that you left over something as retarded as that, however I respect your decision. In the other thread you tried to belittle me and portray me as a liar, so I just wanted to clarify that you asked if you would start A TWLB game, to which my answer was yes. As far as I know there's still a week for TWLB regular season. I will not waste time and add other things you said because I like you and respect what a private message is, however I just wanted to throw it out there that starting people is a difficult decision, which is often accompanied by extreme annoyance. I helped build this all with Underground and others, and bench myself some games for players that just recently joined. Do you think I don't want to play too?

I apologize for the long post, but I just had to state how childish you all are acting. It's fucking annoying to see those who were ripping us for making an appeal and laughing at our posts suddenly switch roles.

props, you were subbed out...but you died...the TWLBOT registered it, the game registered it....everyone saw you get subbed, and everyone saw you die. you cant die after youve been subbed out


its obvious that ease died JUST BEFORE he was subbed, cuz you cant die when youre in spec....

[Mattey]

The subbing at last second is a red herring. Mirrorrim explain how ease died while in spec. I would really like to hear how this happened.

The sub just happened to process right as the bullet was hitting me.

WHAT IT WAS HITTING HIM, you mean you didn't die in spec? THATS WEIRD.

[With Ease]

This is absolutely unbelievable. You were all saying how you had lost respect for Thunder because we appealed the dynasty game, and now you're saying you've lost respect for us because we had an appeal sent against us? Give me a break. For those of you complaining about Mirror and the TWL staff making the decision in one night, get over it. Our appeal was shot down in one night as well.

Is there a specific rule somewhere that says substitutes can only be used to sub players that are performing poorly? NO. Phizey and I agreed before the match that If i was on 9 and in an unfavorable situation that he should probably sub me. At 9 deaths I rushed past chuckle while trying to locate vys, and flew very close to him. Phizey, not being a fucking retard, realized that I was probably going to waste a life because of the proximity to chuckle and therefore subbed me out. The sub just happened to process right as the bullet was hitting me. The idea of subbing someone out when the situation is grim is common sense to me.

For those of you in Quicksand, just drop it already. Stop bringing up the problems that you had with sk8, because in case you didn't know this is NOT sk8. Underground and I had absolutely nothing to do with what happened in terms of that saturday game or whatever it was, as Anzu was the person who scheduled games. I was on vacation when it happened also.

As for ardour, the self-appointed people's hero. I am disappointed that you left over something as retarded as that, however I respect your decision. In the other thread you tried to belittle me and portray me as a liar, so I just wanted to clarify that you asked if you would start A TWLB game, to which my answer was yes. As far as I know there's still a week for TWLB regular season. I will not waste time and add other things you said because I like you and respect what a private message is, however I just wanted to throw it out there that starting people is a difficult decision, which is often accompanied by extreme annoyance. I helped build this all with Underground and others, and bench myself some games for players that just recently joined. Do you think I don't want to play too?

I apologize for the long post, but I just had to state how childish you all are acting. It's fucking annoying to see those who were ripping us for making an appeal and laughing at our posts suddenly switch roles.

[Dwopple]

It's a good reason to fix it for the future. When this game occurred, there was no rule against subbing people at the last second.

djfklasd

[Mattey]

This is a red herring and is secondary to the argument that Thunder did NOT get the sub in at the last second. They got it a split-hair from the last second, which means EASE got hit with a bullet then got specced IMMEDIATELY afterward.

Address this Mirror.

[MirrorriM]

So If you admit there was a problem and are even going to fix the problem and make sure it doesn't happen again, then obviously this is a good reason for a replay between these two squads. If it wasn't that big of an issue then you wouldn't worry about fixing it.

It's a good reason to fix it for the future. When this game occurred, there was no rule against subbing people at the last second.

I dont know why the bot recorded it. However based on what the TWL Ops saw and what the bot displayed, that's what were going on.

This is from the TWL Ref's log:

saetep> vys 5-10
T Hosack> Pirates teaming looks like Warpath
T ignite> LOL
T Valholy> borderline horrible
T Regen> lol
C 4:Antacid> bd?
T Regen> borderline?
T Valholy> lol vys just shooting randomly
C 4:spikey> bd
C 4deR> try us
C 4:spikey> us
Ease has been substituted by Ardour, with 1 deaths left
T saetep> yeah
Ease is out. 12 wins 10 losses
T ignite> whoa
T ignite> LOL
T Jeenyuss> nice.
T Downfall> lol
T Xp> haha
T Riverside> pirates will win
T ignite> LOOOOOL
T ignite> LOOOOOL
T ignite> LOOOOOL
T ignite> LOOOOOL
T ignite> LOOOOOL

[Mattey]

No dude, he died in spec because that's totally possible. EL OH EL

[Dwopple]

how do you die after you spec? the bot registered the kill, so did f2....why are you putting the human eye above the bot/game's outcome?


ease had to DIE before he was specced otherwise he wouldnt have DIED.

wtf? is u retawded??

[Mattey]

So If you admit there was a problem and are even going to fix the problem and make sure it doesn't happen again, then obviously this is a good reason for a replay between these two squads. If it wasn't that big of an issue then you wouldn't worry about fixing it.

No, you don't get it, because that would be making a change EX POST FACTO(sic). There is no problem with subbing out at the very last second, people have been doing it for years. This is a red herring and is secondary to the argument that Thunder did NOT get the sub in at the last second. They got it a split-hair from the last second, which means EASE got hit with a bullet then got specced IMMEDIATELY afterward.

Or we could go with Mirror's argument that the bots are making up deaths for no reason. That makes a lot more sense.