Thread not about the Thunder sub that cost Pirates the game. Don't worry.

[MirrorriM]

There is a key difference between the flag jupe bug at this bug:

The flag jupe bug is a negative bug to intentionally set off, as it makes you lose flag time. This substitute bug is an EXPLOITABLE bug which absolutely goes against what is intended: giving an extra death as well has having an extra player in the game. This is not comparable at all. The quote above has you encouraging players to abuse this bug.

If this appeal is not overturned then I also encourage all TWLD and TWLJ players to abuse this.

When I referred to the flag jupe I was using it to show that that was also known by the public, not mentioned in the TWL rules, the replay was also denied, and then a rule was made to prevent further problems with it.

It's pretty childish and immature that just because you didnt get your way you decide to do the same thing you have been whining about. But I know I shouldnt expect better. Which is why I'll repeat myself again and say a solution will be created to prevent this from happening again.

I'll leave you guys now to continue your discussion. I think we are now just repeating ourselves over and over and not much more productivity can come from this.

[Jeenyuss]

juping the flag happens nearly all the time because of an ignorant ram. that then renders the rammer's team helpless, because they can not claim the flag until it resets. this results in the other team getting flag time because of it. you all knew that already though.

this whole situation has one team abusing a bug for an extra death. if a flag jupe caused one team to need 30 more seconds of flag time in order to win, then i'd understand how these two bugs could be even remotely comparable. however, it clearly doesn't and this bug created an unfair advantage for thunder. give pirates the replay.

[Turban]

how many flag jupe appeals could i have made? 10? 100? real talk

Except that it's easy to prevent a flag jupe from happening.. and it's not exploitable like a substitute.. and.. a lot of things.. that I just can't bother listing.. Someone else probably will.

Weirdo. Night.

[Draft]

'Ease has been substituted by Ardour, with 1 deaths left
T saetep> yeah
Ease is out. 12 wins 10 losses'

time 1 - *bullet hits ease*(not fast enough to be put in spec so the shot connects) + *ardour enters*
time 2 - *specs ease* + *10deaths*
time 3 - *whine fest*

Due to this bug/oversight with the TWL bots, it is entirely possible to have an extra player in the game, which is what happened here. It is probably possible in TWL to get an extra "life" by substituting any player right as they're about to die.

its.. not as easy as u think :fear:

That is a total and irrefutable explanation as to why they had a valid appeal. "Sight" is completely irrelevant in this case, and this was entirely due to with a bot bug in combination with how the game mechanics work.

how many flag jupe appeals could i have made? 10? 100? real talk

[Turban]

I don't get how you can base your decision on something as silly as that. It's a well known fact (at least I've known for years) that you can substitute a player out when he "has just died out" and get a fresh player with 1 death. Did you know that there is delay with the !sub command? It doesn't sub 0.01 secs after you've sent it to the bot. It takes quite a while actually..

All that really matters is that it hit on his screen thus killing him:

Ease is out with 10 losses.

I think a lot of squadrons will start abusing this bug if you (TWL OPs+) will not step up and fix your errors.

I'm tired. Going to bed. Have a nice day with forum wars!

[Stabwound]

I agree with this explanation but disagree with the valid appeal. As people have pointed out, this is a known issue. This is like the situation with the flag jupe appeal in a past TWL.

There is a key difference between the flag jupe bug at this bug:

The flag jupe bug is a negative bug to intentionally set off, as it makes you lose flag time. This substitute bug is an EXPLOITABLE bug which absolutely goes against what is intended: giving an extra death as well has having an extra player in the game. This is not comparable at all. The quote above has you encouraging players to abuse this bug.

If this appeal is not overturned then I also encourage all TWLD and TWLJ players to abuse this.

[Izor]

It's been clearly explained to you BY MULTIPLE PEOPLE, that Ease HAD to get hit by that bullet to get credited with a death.

I can die without getting hit by a bullet while trying to enter spec...you can easily replicate it in ?go javs. This is an error with the coding of the game, not the bot. It's not like no one knew about this bug beforehand as Ease brought up with his jd that he linked. No one brought it up as an issue. Hell, everyone in my squad knew about it. It's not THAT uncommon. Would you like the bot to immediately spec the person whos being subbed on the !sub command, then a couple seconds later the sub comes in? The ironic part of this is that the reason there is a delay in the first place is to prevent exactly what just happened right there, because back in the day people used to use the !sub to save their dying teammate much more

[MirrorriM]

You never addressed stabwound's point that it's impossible for someone to die in TW without getting hit by a bullet.

The only thing you pointed out was that you didn't see it hit.

OH YEAH IT'S UP TO INTERPRETATION SILLY ME.

step down/stop posting.

Actually I pointed out a lot of different things, you just like focusing on one of them.

[Mattey]

You never addressed stabwound's point that it's impossible for someone to die in TW without getting hit by a bullet.

The only thing you pointed out was that you didn't see it hit.

OH YEAH IT'S UP TO INTERPRETATION SILLY ME.

step down/stop posting.

[MirrorriM]

Chuckle: Too bad you missed my crafty point I'm ready.

[Mattey]

I dunno, ask the bot.

I did, and it says Ease is out with 10 losses. It got overruled though, by someone...

[Chuckle]

I dunno, ask the bot.

You just admitted you are wrong. I had nothing against you before but this means war now. You are in for a world of pain.

[MirrorriM]

Mirrorrim if you can convince me of one thing then I will agree with you and maybe even possibly pull all of the other pirates off ripping on you...

Assume everything you say is right...all your arguments make sense and are sound...

How come ease's bullet that killed me gets to count but my bullet on him doesnt???

I should have gotten +1 during that game or something...and in a 50-47 finish that is huge. Especially when you think of it this way: vys and i would have been in still with a score of 47-48 that difference is only 1 we could have won. You can not deny this...Replay this!!!

I dunno, ask the bot.

[Exalt]

hey guys, why are we arguing here? Thunder wins at least 1 appeal every season... we all know this... I mean they lost the first one against me, so they have to win this one before season ends, or its not TWL

[Mattey]

It can only be interpeted one way.

Unless you are saying that Ease somehow got hit with a bullet in spec. Then it can be interpreted two ways. The right way, and the way that a stupid bitch created out of thin air because she is a dumb cunt.