Gay Marriage

[Jerome Scuggs]

Dude. It's america. 2004. Anything is possible.

[Jerome Scuggs]

Banning gay marriage is about the same level
as raising taxes on cigarettes to make people stop smoking.
It's offensive to try to legislate decisions that citizens should
be able to make for themselves.

we're not banning gay marriage though. its been banned.

edit: its not 'offensive', its 'vital'.

[K2Grey]

Is Jerome taking his position for the sole purpose of being able to argue?

There's a difference between being a debater and a ferrous cranus arguer. One person tries to persuade others, and is often very skillful at it. The other alienates everyone, whether its their opponents or the audience.

[Jerome Scuggs]

im not that much of a staunch anti-gay guy, but for sake of being bored, yes. i am arguing.

[Capital Knockers]

all gays need to be lined up, and gunned down.

Great post man, i mean, i doubt i could come up with an agruement against it.
Thats of course because your an immature fucking little punk who goes around the forums making posts that have no intellectual value because you like to get flamed.

May I ask why one of the forum mods hasn't 'ooops my finger slipped' and banned this pathetic little brat yet?

[Zloy]

Feh, gay marriages. Find something worthwhile to talk about instead of discussing faggots

[THE ENFORCER]

You both stagger me, with your nonsense.


It's different in different states for a very good reason.
America is a huge country. Different people in different states can be
so different as to have different dialects, values, etc etc.
States' rights happens to be something I'm a very large proponent of.
If the age of consent in Wisconsin is 15, then it's because the voting
population there wish it to be. If they didn't, then they would exercise
their right to do otherwise, and change that law. It's the way the
American system was designed to work. Instead of a huge, bloated,
centralized federal government dictating what is good and what isn't,
for the entire country, you have state governments that represent
a more manageable chunk of the country's population. Just so I can go
ahead and get this out of the way, I believe wholeheartedly that the
wrong side won the US Civil War... not.. I repeat NOT because of slavery.
The very first thing the CSA should have done is beat Lincoln to the punch
and set every slave free, because that isn't the reason for the war.
In my eyes, every man on earth is created equal. It's just whether or
not they choose to stay stupid that sets people apart for me. =)

Sarien there are different state laws in America, however you have to have federal laws for important matters (although this isnt one) for stability, you cant have one state allowing 15yr olds to carry guns (because its a country state with little crime) while another state doesnt allow it (because its a city state with high crime) since people would then go from the city state to the country get thier hands on a gun and come back to the city state and kill everyone. One state law has an impact on other states. Secondly my comment about gays not being allowed to raise children is for now, im not talking about the future however you can not come up with a sensible argument that gays should have children because put simply the child will have some serious issues. Its hard enough for normal parents to raise a child, at this present time. The majority of people agree on my comment because it falls inline with common sense if you fail to see that, then thats just stupid. (to put simply)

And lastly I DID say that the law should be decided by the people, but i also stated my personal opnion how bout fully reading my post before you judge, fool.

What the hell is wrong with you, all my arguments follow common sense why do you insist in agitating me with you stupid oppossing comments are you doing this on purpose? for interest sake are you a communist as well to make it ten out of ten?

[Azhran]

Secondly my comment about gays not being allowed to raise children is for now, im not talking about the future however you can not come up with a sensible argument that gays should have children because put simply the child will have some serious issues. Its hard enough for normal parents to raise a child, at this present time. The majority of people agree on my comment because it falls inline with common sense if you fail to see that, then thats just stupid. (to put simply)

sorry you're wrong, http://www.apa.org/pi/parent.html

Here's the conclusion:

there is no evidence to suggest that lesbians and gay men are unfit to be parents or that psychosocial development among children of gay men or lesbians is compromised in any respect relative to that among offspring of heterosexual parents. Not a single study has found children of gay or lesbian parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents. Indeed, the evidence to date suggests that home environments provided by gay and lesbian parents are as likely as those provided by heterosexual parents to support and enable children's psychosocial growth.

[Pandagirl!]

I'm against gay marriage, because I'm religious, and the Bible says that marriage is for a man and woman, so that's what I believe.

[THE ENFORCER]

sorry you're wrong, http://www.apa.org/pi/parent.html

Here's the conclusion:

there is no evidence to suggest that lesbians and gay men are unfit to be parents or that psychosocial development among children of gay men or lesbians is compromised in any respect relative to that among offspring of heterosexual parents. Not a single study has found children of gay or lesbian parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents. Indeed, the evidence to date suggests that home environments provided by gay and lesbian parents are as likely as those provided by heterosexual parents to support and enable children's psychosocial growth.

Like i said before surveys dont mean shit, they can be made to prove the sky is green if done right. Its common sense, anyone with a gays and only gays as parental guidance at a young age will be picked upon and likely to be brought up to be gay because he/she is surrounded by it all the time its all about social envrionment (at the very least extra steps will have to be taken to ensure a proper raising which im not 100% sure is possible)
.If you want gays to raise your children then fine, but i dont want that to happen

Btw that survey still doesnt disprove that sarien is an idiot.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

This thread has convinced me that at least 75% of this forum is media-dependent and mentally deficient.

[sTuPiD-gErBiL]

and the other 25% are gay, right conc?

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

I think you're misunderstanding which side of this argument I'm on.

EDIT: To clear up my position:
Like someone has already said in this thread (I believe it was bloodzombie), who are you to say who someone can and can not fall in love with? It seems really shitheaded to fall back on the whole "it'll lead to the moral decay of the American public" argument. Why? Because even if you truly believe that (and it's dumb to believe that something based on consentual pure love can contribute to moral decay), there are lots of things eating away at the American public that are totally sanctioned and even promoted.

To put it in simple terms: why would you care if two men or two women want to get married? It's not like someone's holding you down on the concrete and ear/eye-raping you. If you're not gay, fine. If you're gay, fine. The question of child-rearing is a completely seperate question--even if you allow people of a homosexual persuasion to be married, it's not like they can naturally have children, anyway. The only question about gay marriage that is even relevant is whether or not gay couples should be afforded the same legal rights as hetero couples. Why not? Someone give me ONE GOOD REASON. So far, the only decent reasons have been on spiritual grounds, which is okay, but you have to realize that marriage isn't always a religious rite--it can be performed by political official just as easily as by a priest/rabbi/etc.

[sTuPiD-gErBiL]

no no, i understand completely. i'm just being a dipshit.
it's difficult to retain a serious attitude about the subject when most of the people posting aren't even of legal voting age yet.

[THE ENFORCER]

I think you're misunderstanding which side of this argument I'm on.

I dont think anyone understands which side of the argument your on, the only thing you stated is that it seems to you that the people on this forum get thier infomation from the media (which i personally disagree with and even if it was true i dont see the harm in it since most info comes from media, there are alot of newspapers, tv, radio etc that point out valid points on both sides of the argument so whats wrong with listening to the media as long as you view it objectively?)

For an argument, people have argued that if gay marriage is legalised then no-one would get married as happened in holland or norway, read my prior post (note:i dont think its true but its still an argument never the less).