Race and Racism! Let's talk about it!

[Izor]

You only say that its not a 'flame fest' cause most of the people agree with you. There just arent people here who think realistically apparently. The world isnt ideal unfortunately, contrary to what you might hope to believe about certain stereotypes not being true. Realists just cant get along with people who dont look at things how they are, because they tend to ignore patterns in what goes on in the world. For example, if a police report says 70% of drug charges filed by police somewhere was on blacks, a realist would reason that blacks just have a higher probability of doing drugs. An idealist would believe that the cops were being racist and pulling over blacks more, and then proceed to give the cops a bunch of shit.

And fit, dont get me started on arabs. They live in a culture where they are brought up to hate americans. If you live here, you know what it feels like to be a target, unless of course it hasnt gotten through to your brain. I'm sure if your family was a victim of a terrorist attack, your views would quickly change. I'm sure judging by your post you'd rather have us withdraw entirely from the middle east and let the scumbags plot more 9/11's. Gotta love that point of view. I sorta dont hope your parents/loved ones die to one of those attacks, but it would take it for you to see just how naive you are.

I'm sure I'll get some kind of pussy response from arab loving, but i cant reply till monday night since im going camping in virginia. And I probably wont be coherent enough till tuesday. :P So in advance I'll tell the europeans who are going to reply not to bother, since without the US guarding the entire free world, their left-wing countries would fold only slightly after the French.

[Troll King]

No, a realist would look at both the 70% stat and the other stat about black people are also stopped a lot more often, and do the math. Both stats are just as clear, I don't see how you can only look at one and not the other and claim to be a realist.

As for knowing what it's like to live feeling like a target, I'd imagine that an Arab that lives in your neighbourhood would feel the exact same thing from you. Hell, you still seem to be under the false impression that the Iraqi war had a direct connection to 9/11. Remember, Afghanistan was about 9/11. Iraq was about getting rid of Saddam (or "removing WMDs" or "the oil").

You want to talk about being a realist and not being naive? I'm seeing that more in you than in Fit or Liquid.

[Izor]

Meh, them getting pulled over more doesnt hurt my case any. One side views it as being targeted and the other side sees them as being more likely to cause trouble.

And I said nothing about Iraq in particular. But if the assholes are fighting to keep us out of their turf I figure we'll be pretty safe at home. The worst that happens other than marines dying is a few thousand belligerent arabs getting shot bringing towels to a gun fight. No big loss there.

BTW TK you're canadian right? The hottest political topic for you should be the NHL disputes rofl. You shouldnt even care about what we do since nobody wants anything to do with Canada

[Riesen]

Meh, them getting pulled over more doesnt hurt my case any. One side views it as being targeted and the other side sees them as being more likely to cause trouble.

Yes it does. It shows that police are following and making stereotypes themselves. It's a cycle. You're just a conservative piece of shit with his head too far up his own ass to see the real truth, gg. I've seen plenty of episodes of Cops where they bust a TON of "white trash" for meth/crack cocaine possession or even robbery. I guess those cops are racists, too and white people are 70% more likely to do methaphetamine, crack cocaine and rob liqour stores.

Edit: Bringing towels to a gun fight? Let me guess, the UN isn't real, Gays should be lynched, and we should always 'err on the side of Life (unless you're a criminal, or retarded, or a retarded criminal, or not Republican, or not American). Izor, you're just criminally retarded.

[Troll King]

Meh, them getting pulled over more doesnt hurt my case any. One side views it as being targeted and the other side sees them as being more likely to cause trouble.

Do you know nothing about math? If Black people are checked 2, 3 or 4 times more often than White people (one study in the UK showed that Black people are 7 times as likely to be stopped by police than White people) then by comparison, the 70% figure you quoted is small by comparison. It does hurt your case, it hurts it a lot. What you did was look only at the stat that supports your view and ignores the stats that proves it wrong. I'm just trying to be a realist by looking at all the information.

And I said nothing about Iraq in particular. But if the assholes are fighting to keep us out of their turf I figure we'll be pretty safe at home. The worst that happens other than marines dying is a few thousand belligerent arabs getting shot bringing towels to a gun fight. No big loss there.

Nothing about Iraq in particular? What about when you said: "rather have us withdraw entirely from the middle east and let the scumbags plot more 9/11's"? Last time I checked, Iraq was a part of the Middle East. If you meant "withdraw entirely from the middle east except from Iraq", then I apologize. It'd make you sound even more foolish, but hey, that's your choice.

BTW TK you're canadian right? The hottest political topic for you should be the NHL disputes rofl. You shouldnt even care about what we do since nobody wants anything to do with Canada

And what does my being Canadian have to do with anything? Again, the last time I checked, this topic was about race and racism in general. I didn't know that Liquid Blue actually meant "Race and Racism! Let's talk about it! (Unless it has something to do with Canada)!" Does being Canadian make my point any less valid? If I was an American and said the exact same things, would that make what I say worth any more to you? Nobody wants anything to do with Canada? How much of Ann Coulter's Kool-Aid are you drinking?

You mentioned being a realist. It seems like you're the one who has trouble getting real. Liquid's right about you turning this into a flame fest. It wasn't like that before you posted.

[Scrotal]

Liquid, why would I take the time to look up your old posts? I'll pass. I dont even know who the hell you are.

jesus=terrorist=noob, I never said that subspace players have nothing enlightening to offer. How can you mis-interpret my message when you have my quote pasted right above your message? Stop putting words in my mouth or I'll put my sack in yours. LOL...You gotta admit that was funny...print that one up; thats a refrigerator post.

Tone: thank you, Dr. Phil.

[Izor]

No, you're being a dipshit. If they werent being so suspicious there would be no problem. Do you not get off the computer and look at the world? Christ.

EDIT: Being pulled over more and having a higher crime % are two independent things. You can't compare them and make a link that was never there to begin with. Given the two things you can see that there is greater accuracy predicting who the white criminal will be than the black criminal, since some black people may give the cop the feeling that they are doing something wrong, even if they aren't. Would you rather have the cop randomly pull over white people so that the accuracy numbers are the same in each race? Assuming he did so, would that make him less 'racist'?

I was referring to our troops in the middle east that are there for reasons other than liberating a nation from its dictator and investigating WMDs/taking oil. If you want to bring up Iraq specifically go ahead but it's off topic.

And you being from Canada does make sense for me to bring up when you're talking about our involvement in Iraq. Regardless of the thread being about race/racism, you were talking about politics so I informed you that as a Canadian, your view doesnt matter to Americans about American politics. Because what is your country without us honestly? You have no military power and what does your economy produce?

[Liquid Blue]

Scrotal, do you remember typing this-

Did you really think you would be enlightened from the answers you collected from subspace players?

How else was J=T and the rest of us supposed to take that? What, like the answers from the people here are less valid than other folk just because they play subspace? And you don't have to look up my other posts, you can either add your opinion on race or stop posting, simple as that. If you want to complain about something or bicker with people, go to trash talk.

No, you're being a dipshit. If they werent being so suspicious there would be no problem. Do you not get off the computer and look at the world? Christ.

And what exactly makes them so suspicious? The color of their skin? I'd love to see your logic in how cars driven by black people are automatically more suspicious than cars driven by white people. Same amount of people in the car, same type of car- what would make them more suspicious?

EDIT: Being pulled over more and having a higher crime % are two independent things. You can't compare them and make a link that was never there to begin with. Given the two things you can see that there is greater accuracy predicting who the white criminal will be than the black criminal, since some black people may give the cop the feeling that they are doing something wrong, even if they aren't. Would you rather have the cop randomly pull over white people so that the accuracy numbers are the same in each race? Assuming he did so, would that make him less 'racist'?

It'd make him les racist if he stopped pulling people over because of their skin color. Jee, that was a hard one

I was referring to our troops in the middle east that are there for reasons other than liberating a nation from its dictator and investigating WMDs/taking oil. If you want to bring up Iraq specifically go ahead but it's off topic.

You want to talk about Iraq? Go make a topic about it, keep it out of here.

And you being from Canada does make sense for me to bring up when you're talking about our involvement in Iraq. Regardless of the thread being about race/racism, you were talking about politics so I informed you that as a Canadian, your view doesnt matter to Americans about American politics. Because what is your country without us honestly? You have no military power and what does your economy produce?

Same with this canada bullshit, stop pulling out other topics that don't deal with race and slapping them in here. I don't care if TK is from canada, that doesn't make his opinion any less valid because we are talking about race and racism; not "race and racism in america".

[Troll King]

No, you're being a dipshit. If they werent being so suspicious there would be no problem. Do you not get off the computer and look at the world? Christ.

EDIT: Being pulled over more and having a higher crime % are two independent things. You can't compare them and make a link that was never there to begin with. Given the two things you can see that there is greater accuracy predicting who the white criminal will be than the black criminal, since some black people may give the cop the feeling that they are doing something wrong, even if they aren't. Would you rather have the cop randomly pull over white people so that the accuracy numbers are the same in each race? Assuming he did so, would that make him less 'racist'?

HELL YES! If a cop gets a "bad feeling that they are doing something wrong" merely because they are black, then THAT IS RACISM. Would it be less racist if he randomly pulled over white people as well? Again, HELL YES. If it's random then it wouldn't be so disproportionately Black people being targeted. I can't understand how you fail to see the connection.

I was referring to our troops in the middle east that are there for reasons other than liberating a nation from its dictator and investigating WMDs/taking oil. If you want to bring up Iraq specifically go ahead but it's off topic.

You said "ENTIRELY" from the Middle East which would include Iraq where a substantial amount of the force is deployed. You're the one who first mentioned the topic, but if you want to dismiss it and move on because it hasn't helped your point then fine.

And you being from Canada does make sense for me to bring up when you're talking about our involvement in Iraq. Regardless of the thread being about race/racism, you were talking about politics so I informed you that as a Canadian, your view doesnt matter to Americans about American politics. Because what is your country without us honestly? You have no military power and what does your economy produce?

Again, YOU are the one who brought it up in the first place. What "view" did I have about American politics? All I did was state the actual official reasons your government gave. I offered no judgement on whether it was right or wrong. The only "view" I gave was a statement of fact. I'm not saying anything negative about the US involvement in the Middle East. Speaking of going off topic though, you're the one now straying from the beaten path. You had nothing really substatial to say about the topic so instead you attack me and my country. Instead of telling me about what I may or may not write about, I suggest you first look at how capable you yourself are to discuss race and racism because it's becoming increasingly clear to me that you are completely uncapable of doing so.

[Fit of Rage]

Let it go, TK. Reason is clearly a faculty that he's lacking.

[Subjugation]

More like, he's just baiting. Not that I don't think he believes some of it, but I think he's exaggerating his personal beliefs to excite the rest of the world. Kinda like stylez does.

Couple of fucking drama queens/attention whores.

[Riesen]

Like I said, he's criminally retarded.

[Scrotal]

Liquid...the letter of the law my friend.

[Scrotal]

Here is something you might enjoy, while we are on the topic of race. :grin:

http://seanism.com/dlarea/?action=file&id=115

[Scrotal]

Oops...this try this one.

http://seanism.com/dlarea/pafiledb.p...n=watch&id=115