Race and Racism! Let's talk about it!

[Subjugation]

I've been meaning to ask about this...is there a word with similar effects for spanish people? I don't mean gringo, but like some other word that used to be used negatively to refer to spanish people, but is now embraced by most of the younger generations?

Actually, I can't think of any slur that Mexicans use amongst themselves that is similar to the n-word. In Mexican slang, it's common to call each other "chingons" and "el cabron", or something. But that's a slang term similar to popping your collar and saying "I'm the shit." I mean, literally, it's not like you're calling yourself a piece of shit. You're basically saying "I'm the man."

And do you think that alot of latin-americans are slowly going the route of being uncivilized and generally ignorant? I see alot of blacks (some whites too) today that are getting brainwashed by the media and peer pressure- they dress and try to act like thugs and rappers but really don't live in bad neighborhoods or have to deal with life/death situations. Now I know it's mainly a popular "wanna fit with the in-crowd" bullshit, but it's actually keeping up a negative trend of minorities trying less in school, spending all their money on clothes, etc etc basically limiting their potential by conforming to the popular image.

Yea, I think part of it is a general attitude of social rebellion, but also, part of it is related to media influence. I agree that there is a strong cultural divide between lower-middle income, young minorities, and a general sense of political, and economic oppression. I mean, I think it's generally true that what most lower class minorities hear from friends, music, and TV is that if you're black or latino, you don't have much economic opportunity, and that you will either end up dead or in jail by age 30, or you will struggle financially the rest of your life.

Nice, could you elaborate?

The class I took was a couple years ago, so I may be fuzzy on the details, but the basic principle was that there has been much division between how different "races" are categorized.

Most anthropologists used to classify races by different facial features, hair types, skin color, etc. Although there was a lot of disagreement on which system of classification to use, one of the main ideas was that modern humanity descended from three "master races": Mongoloid, Negroid, and Caucazoid.

However, one of the arguments against this system of categorization is that this didn't explain the existence of the Australian Aborigine, which possessed both Caucazoid and Negroid features, but were located outside the major african and european trade routes, therefore outside the zone of genetic influence. So according to that Race and Ethnicity class I took, they said most contemporary anthropologists promote the idea of the classification of people using cultural, political, and social indicators instead of the previous idea of classification via "outward indicators" like facial features, and hair types.

Ok, any that you know of that are supported with facts and logic? I'm not trying to rag on you, I just want to keep this topic alive and kicking.

Many stereotypes often begin with some truth, but then they become false because larger assumptions are made on those partial truths.

For example... 75% of blacks and latinos in the SCUSD (Sacramento City Unified School District) read below their grade level (that's a statistic I got from the California State Dept of Education from 2004). So to stereotype blacks and latinos as being dumb, may be based partially in fact. But that stereotype assumes more than just that they didn't test well, or the educational system is flawed. It assumes that, in general, that blacks and latinos aren't genetically incapable of being good readers, which is completely false.

To answer your question, I can't really think of any stereotypes that are 100% accurate, because I think there will always be exceptions to disprove them.

Really? That's interesting. Do you find yourself changing your slang at all also, or does that fit in with "how you phrase things". I kind of took that as how you say things, not exactly which words you might use. Have you ever noticed black people (or any race) seem to tighten up their speaking patterns or the words they use when around you? I know it might be kind of hard to look back and think of a situation, but I just put it out there for ya anyway.

Nah, I don't really change my slang from culture to culture. I think when I was younger, I tried to phrase things different so I could fit in better, but now I really don't do that. I just try and be myself.

But I definitely change my behavior and lexicon when I'm in school, or work, for obvious reasons.

Cool, thanks. A different perspective on things never hurts the viewpoint, I'm glad I asked.

Yea, I'm glad you asked too. The more people can learn from each other, the less relevant race becomes. However, I didn't see that you mentioned how you felt about these things. I mean, what do you think about black people calling each other n's all day long?

[Riesen]

I really don't care who you marry or have sex with or whatever. I only care if it's me or not. Seriously, certain things just aren't my business, so why should I be bothered with it?

The stereotype I fell for back in school was Asians being very book smart. All my Asian friends were top of the class and there was always more Asians in the top 2% of the graduating class than any other race. It's probably just that their parents tought them better study habits and what not.

I totally fit into the stereotypical white guy mold. Fat, glasses, nerdy. All of that. However, as I've grown and all, I find it silly to judge people by the stereotypes they may or may not fit into. For instance, being warry of befriending a black person because they might steal from you, or second guessing getting into a car with an Asian behind the wheel.

I don't come into a whole lot of contact with Asians. I only have one Asian friend, and I rarely see her because she's busy with. . .school.

I don't think it's racist to call them Asian or Mexican, unless you happen to know that they don't come from Asia or Mexico. Otherwise, how the hell are you supposed to know? The way I see it, if they really want to avoid being called Asian, Mexican or whatever, they'd make it known ahead of time. I know it sounds mean, but no one is psychic. I could understand it if it were blatantly obvious that they were from, oh, let's say, Ireland and you called them Mexican.

[Charles]

1. I agree with it, I mean if you're in love with someone why should you let the barriers society has created (ehm, racism) stop you?

2. Stereotypes could start out as fact from one or a few instances and suddenly apply to everyone. I'm sure all of you know that, so thats why I don't let stereotypes be the judge at all. If anything, I go by the individual.

3. I don't know, never put any thought into it.

4. I think its because of the way Americans tend to put such importance on such things as race that people want to create their own segregated groups. That and the fact that these people will never seem like Americans to some people but Chinese or Mexican.

[Exotic]

[Izor]

While you need to go on an individual basis, stereotypes are for the most part true, otherwise they wouldnt exist. Would the image of a black guy carrying a TV out of a store shoving fried chicken in his mouth really be funny if you couldnt imagine it and say 'I could see it happening.' Or some white trailer trash doing rather nasty things with farm animals. Or a bunch of mexicans jumping the fence to come pick blueberries in the US.

1) For that reason, without knowing things about the couples interracial marriage is generally repulsive, but not in all cases. If I knew the black guy sitting next to me wasnt a fried chicken eating, tv stealing lowlife (keeping it clean :/), I'd of course lose my reason to dislike it.

2) You name the stereotype, and its probably true in the majority. And if you don't believe the whole fried chicken thing, I bet theres at least 1 KFC/Popeye's/whatever strategically positioned within walking distance from some low income housing near you. At least thats how it is in Jersey.

Tell me you've never met a penny pinching jew. Or one that complains a lot?

Dirty mexicans?

3) I least come into contact with those arab pieces of shit. And I dont regret it one bit. At least you won't hear me say 'Izor> suiciding newbie' IRL. :P

4) Some Asians get really offended, but most understand what you mean. After all, if you were Japanese would you want to be lumped in with some commie pricks?

Lastly I want to point out how stupid anti-racist fucktards are for the most part. The ones who will use 'good' stereotypes like Asians being smart, not realizing they're insulting all other races and still being prejudiced. Or those who like to talk shit to fat people/nerds/trailer trash of all races. The need to make yourself feel better than someone else is what makes people say these things, and to have any type of policy against making prejudiced comments between races is stupid. People like me and probably most of the players on this game are going to be prejudiced anyway regardless.

[Liquid Blue]

Yea, I'm glad you asked too. The more people can learn from each other, the less relevant race becomes. However, I didn't see that you mentioned how you felt about these things. I mean, what do you think about black people calling each other n's all day long?

It doesn't bother me, really. I know it's not really a constructive thing to keep saying in regards to our race, but when I hear other black guys using it, I don't flip out or anything. I guess I've gotten used to it, but then again I think it's popularity stems from the media and not having a larger range of vocabulary to express themselves. I'm not even talking about recently, I'm thinking this goes back as far as the late 70's, early 80's. I wasn't around for the early seventies but from looking at male relatives who were around, and were in their twenties-thirties back then, they don't seem to express the same mentality as the young black men of today.

This is all pure speculation, but it seems like the 60's era were thirsty for knowledge and freedom that they previously didn't have acess to, 70's was more of an introspective look on our culture as a whole, and embracing the positive aspects/ uniqueness of our race. 80's is still kind of blurry for me, but I'm thinking around the 90's a large majority just let the media take control and decide how they should grow (or stagnate) as a race, instead of deciding for themselves. Laziness could also be a factor, maybe to many got complacent in the freedoms and luxuries that were not available 40 years ago.

Why must there be a constant trend of sucessful popular black role models only popping up as sports players, actors or musicians? What about docters, lawyers, teachers, firefighters, policemen, etc? I don't suggest highlighting specific people that have those jobs just because they're black, I'm simply hoping that a point will come when kids these days aren't bombarded with rap stars and basketball players as the only lifeline, the only way out of their rough neighborhood. Not to mention the constant facisnation with bling bling dissapoints me (flagrant waste of money, just because you have something doesn't mean you need to show it off)- but I'll stop now and not make this rant any longer than it has to be.

[Liquid Blue]

While you need to go on an individual basis, stereotypes are for the most part true, otherwise they wouldnt exist. Would the image of a black guy carrying a TV out of a store shoving fried chicken in his mouth really be funny if you couldnt imagine it and say 'I could see it happening.' Or some white trailer trash doing rather nasty things with farm animals. Or a bunch of mexicans jumping the fence to come pick blueberries in the US.

Now I'll try to keep this as civil as possible, but how many black people have you seen walk out of a store carrying a tv and eating fried chicken? Is it funny to you because you could actually see it happening in real life, or because you are amused by idea of a black person degrading themselves in a fashion that you think fits their level of intelligence?

1) For that reason, without knowing things about the couples interracial marriage is generally repulsive, but not in all cases. If I knew the black guy sitting next to me wasnt a fried chicken eating, tv stealing lowlife (keeping it clean :/), I'd of course lose my reason to dislike it.

Why is it repulsive? Remember I said not to think about white/black (since that's the first combo most people think of), think of arab/asian, spanish/black, etc. Do you honestly think that way about every black person you meet? No? Then why do you have to have his common decency validated --(If I knew the black guy sitting next to me wasnt)--before you begin to treat him like a normal human being? I'm seriously starting to wonder what kind of upbringing you had to let ignorance run so rampant on your emotions and how you view people.

2) You name the stereotype, and its probably true in the majority. And if you don't believe the whole fried chicken thing, I bet theres at least 1 KFC/Popeye's/whatever strategically positioned within walking distance from some low income housing near you. At least thats how it is in Jersey.

Yes, black people eat fried chicken. Guess what, white people do too! I'm willing to bet just as many low-income white families eat as much chicken as the low-income black families, but that doesn't matter because they are white, right? They only have finacially stable stereotypes, right? Hicks don't count since like you said, they have farm animals, right? That's horrendously idiotic of you to assume that a majority of an entire race does something simply because of what you see in Jersey.

Tell me you've never met a penny pinching jew. Or one that complains a lot?

No, but I've met plenty of christian/catholic white people that fit that bill, what's your point?

Dirty mexicans?

Suburban adulterous, alcoholic housewives and stuck up, snobby abusive fathers?

3) I least come into contact with those arab pieces of shit. And I dont regret it one bit. At least you won't hear me say 'Izor> suiciding newbie' IRL. :P

Because all arabic people do suicide missions, right? Not a single one just wants to live a normal life and raise a family like you, right? Jihad Jihad, whatever you see on Fox news fits your world, right?

4) Some Asians get really offended, but most understand what you mean. After all, if you were Japanese would you want to be lumped in with some commie pricks?

Do you even know what you're talking about before you type? Or does it just fly from your hands, IGNORNACE MOBILE, AHOY!

Lastly I want to point out how stupid anti-racist fucktards are for the most part. The ones who will use 'good' stereotypes like Asians being smart, not realizing they're insulting all other races and still being prejudiced. Or those who like to talk shit to fat people/nerds/trailer trash of all races. The need to make yourself feel better than someone else is what makes people say these things, and to have any type of policy against making prejudiced comments between races is stupid. People like me and probably most of the players on this game are going to be prejudiced anyway regardless.

This coming from a guy who has to have black people prove to him that they won't steal his tv before he can respect them? Do you happen to know what a hypocrite is? Or what a delusional, narrow-minded ignorant dumbass is? Broken condom, do those words ring a bell to you? To your mother? Hope not.
You have alot to learn, and alot to work out with your views and how you act/treat people. I suggest you hop to it before your current views land you in trouble.


Sorry for getting flamatory folks, I tried to keep it as clean as possible :fear:

[SaucyKing]

I've already posted my opinions so:

Warned, racism, blahdey blah -ZeUs!!

[PH]

[Liquid Blue]

Hate Crime

Fuck you goatfuckers, afk

[schope]

4) Brazilians are not spanish people :annoyed: they are from Portuguese ancestry... those countries fought for their independence and managed to get it through revolutions... they don't like to be genralised as i think everyone does not like to be generalized. I don't like to be called "euro" because i like to maintain my identity and the identity of my nation alive, in a time where globalization is at hand every bit of your own tradition is precious, so i guess that's one of the main reasons.

yes we arent spanish nor portuguese. But you forgot Brasil had an atypical independence when you talk about Latin american independences. We didnt fight for our independency. Agricultural elites "used" D. Pedro, prince of Portugal and the one suposed to "inherit" Portugal throne to "buy" our independence. So yes "we" bought our independence and no blood was shed. To other countries recognize our independence there was an agreement made with Portugal with England mediating it that costed us 2.000.000 pounds of debts that Portugal was supposed to pay to England. Some ppl claim that this is the "origin" of our international debts that represents nowadays more than 50% of our GPD(PIB) do we pay more taxes than canada and have way worse return of it.

I agree with you that noone likes to be generalized. Im not spanish nor Latin American. I think im a Brazillian.

[Izor]

I dont treat people that way liquid, but in my mind I think it. And you most likely think the same way. Tell me, what do you think I look like from how I act online?

EDIT: BTW they dont need to prove anything to me, it's just how they choose to present themselves.


Good example of a black guy who doesnt look like he fits a stereotype.


^ why stereotypes exist

It's not really a racial thing is what I'm saying, it's a cultural thing. When you call someone a *** in todays world, you are grouping them together with the people who live after the sterotypes we already mentioned, and not necessarily even black (aka wiggers). Not all blacks follow that of course - it would be dumb to think so. But in the same way, when you call someone trailer trash, you're referring to low income whites who fall into a bunch of stereotypes themselves. This is also racism. But why is it ok to make fun of it? Why isnt there something done when people are called rednecks? Rednecks are by definition white. When you think of nerds, you think of little scrawny white kids wearing glasses sitting behind a computer wearing a star wars shirt. Again, no racism bans for that. Why is it ok to make fun of stereotypes that are aimed at whites if it's not ok for any other race?

[Fit of Rage]

I've already posted my opinions so:

You're definately getting warned for this. Still funny though.

[SaucyKing]

You're definately getting warned for this. Still funny though.

QUICK HIDE THE THREAD :fear:

[PH]

I dont treat people that way liquid, but in my mind I think it. And you most likely think the same way. Tell me, what do you think I look like from how I act online?