United 93

[returnoftheapt]

It's just a movie to people get emotional about 9/11 and are even more brainwashed into believe Osama Bin Laden was jealous of our freedom or whatever bullshit the govenrment tries to confuse people with.

[Squeezer]

I don't see why the anti-Canadian or anti-European criticism is coming in here; only Capital Knockers, has said something that can be construed as being anti-American. The others commented on how it's too soon to be capitalizing on the tragedy, comments that recognize how much it has scarred many Americans. How does that lead to people saying "you can't criticize because you can't imagine the pain we felt"? The immensity of that pain is why a lot of people think this movie is in poor taste. Don't confuse criticism of the movie with a lack of sympathy for what happened. Most of the criticism is coming because of the sympathy.

Seeing as the movie is showing in other countries besides America, I think that alone is enough to give people the right to comment on the film.

just ignore Izor.

This movie was ok. True, film is one way to give these people their due credit, and honestly I believe they made the film with the right intentions (especially since something like 15-25% of the profit goes to the Flight 93 Memorial), but anytime you make a movie about such a touchie subject, you're going to have your intentions questioned.

[Galleleo]

K, the who cares kinda came out wrong.. I just wanted to make a point about how I didn't think it was to early..

But seriously, how the fuck dare you exclude all but americans from being able to say anything about this movie? How dare you (generally, you all know who I am talking about) you imply that 9/11 only affects americans, that 9/11 only can be understood by americans? It's not only americans that died that day, it's not only america who was attacked that day. To claim that Canadians and europeans have no right to comment about 9/11 or that movie is just really, really egocentric (then again, america mostly is, so it doesn't really suprise me). I was actually in london the day the bombing in the subway happened. I was frikken close to it happening, I was on those lines and stations like 3 months before that. So what, that wasn't as important as 9/11 because hey, it wasn't in america? And hey we all know that america is the most important country in the world, screw everyone outside our borders..

I am not completely sure on the numbers, but I think about 20 Dutch people died in the WTC towers. And ever since 9/11 the WHOLE western world has been threatened. Not only america, so fuck you for saying this only concerns america, fuck you.

disclaimer: Because most of you always seem to think I am coming after you personally because you are american. Of course I know that not every american is as I discribed above, but I think you know for yourself if you do or do not fit that picture, so if you take offense, don't blame me, blame yourself.

[Vykromond]

I agree with Galleleo's first post. "Too soon" seems like hand-waving to me. How soon is too soon? Oh, right, you don't know, because it's a completely nonsensical metric.

If it's too soon for you to watch a film about a tragic event, just... don't watch it.

[Izor]

yeah, how the fuck dare I imply that an attack on several American buildings is an attack only to America, and not our allies. Obviously they are affected by it, but on here youre acting like foreigners were the primary targets. "so what if 1000 Americans died, 20 dutch people were there too!" Yes it is true that England is also a target and I know that, but thats because you're about the only country backing us up. You can talk about your subway bombing, but am I sitting here acting like that's some attack on us? I'm not really saying anything anti-euro I dont think so much as anti-canadian. They do literally nothing, and act like they take part in world politics. Its also you euros downplaying the situation, dont get me wrong, but you're not the ones here who are acting like you were the target of the attacks

[Galleleo]

I am not saying it wasn't about your country, I am saying it was about MORE then just your country, while you seem to try and make it ONLY about your country. While it's about soo much more.

And I am not english.

[Aquatiq]

First time I saw the preview for it I was like "Oh that's a cool idea for a movie, I'm definitely gonna see that"... w/e

If I had to guess, it seems like a movie that's intended to entertain the imagination, and maybe educate on the side (and gross large amounts of money.. seriously! A lot of people are going to see this movie :X).

About propoganda... the way I see it, if Michael Moore is still allowed to make movies, anyone can hit any kind of sensitive issue as hard as they want, as long as it's not built on deception <_<

[Kolar]

yeah, how the fuck dare I imply that an attack on several American buildings is an attack only to America, and not our allies. Obviously they are affected by it, but on here youre acting like foreigners were the primary targets. "so what if 1000 Americans died, 20 dutch people were there too!" Yes it is true that England is also a target and I know that, but thats because you're about the only country backing us up. You can talk about your subway bombing, but am I sitting here acting like that's some attack on us? I'm not really saying anything anti-euro I dont think so much as anti-canadian. They do literally nothing, and act like they take part in world politics. Its also you euros downplaying the situation, dont get me wrong, but you're not the ones here who are acting like you were the target of the attacks

I never meant to down play the USA's importance but you basicly framed it like the attack in 9/11 only effect America therefore only Americans can understand or comment on it.

Canada did not enter into the Iraq war because it was known before there were no biological, chemical or nuclear weapons, so far attempts to locate any have failed. I don't buy into the propaganda of freeing the Iraqi people, American and British soldiers are not dying for that cause so I think it was prefectly justified not to commit troops in Iraq. Theinternational consensus agreed but the US acted unilaterally. Canada is giving millions in reconstruction in Iraq, Canadian military have taken over control of military operations in Afghanistan and some of NORAD operations have been delegated to Canadian military aswell the agreement has been renewed. Bypass your local pappers and CNN/Fox News friends more often maybe, Canada is a major player in the intentional community.

[Izor]

Canadian military

LOL

[Squeezer]

I never meant to down play the USA's importance but you basicly framed it like the attack in 9/11 only effect America therefore only Americans can understand or comment on it.

Canada did not enter into the Iraq war because it was known before there were no biological, chemical or nuclear weapons, so far attempts to locate any have failed. I don't buy into the propaganda of freeing the Iraqi people, American and British soldiers are not dying for that cause so I think it was prefectly justified not to commit troops in Iraq. Theinternational consensus agreed but the US acted unilaterally. Canada is giving millions in reconstruction in Iraq, Canadian military have taken over control of military operations in Afghanistan and some of NORAD operations have been delegated to Canadian military aswell the agreement has been renewed. Bypass your local pappers and CNN/Fox News friends more often maybe, Canada is a major player in the intentional community.

Okay look mate, and I mean no offense to your country, your people, or your policies, but if you're going to argue that Canada is a large player in the world, and that your opinions bear heavy weight in the world scope of things, then you are sadly mistaken.

The United States went to war with Iraq because our politicians wanted to go to war with Iraq, and none of the world stopped us. What does that say about our power and pull on the world? If Canada ever considered declaring war on anyone, especially under the sketchily justified circumstances which the U.S. used against Iraq, there would be a major uproar.

Now, with that power comes resentment, mostly from people on the bottom, thus 9/11. So, while I understand your saying that 9/11 affects (not effects) the entire world, it doesn't really affect Canada all that much, because at the end of the day we're the ones with the power in the world, and we're the country that those on the bottom will continure to harbor malificent feelings for. As long as the United States is the bully on the block, they'll also be the major target for those being oppressed in this world. It's easy to blame the big dog for not doing enough, or for doing too much. No one blames Canada, so thus you are able to live in a much safer enviornment. So please, do not imply that you Canadians have it as rough, nor have the right to be as worried as your big brother to the south.

[Kolar]

Now, with that power comes resentment, mostly from people on the bottom, thus 9/11. So, while I understand your saying that 9/11 affects (not effects) the entire world, it doesn't really affect Canada all that much, because at the end of the day we're the ones with the power in the world, and we're the country that those on the bottom will continure to harbor malificent feelings for. As long as the United States is the bully on the block, they'll also be the major target for those being oppressed in this world. It's easy to blame the big dog for not doing enough, or for doing too much. No one blames Canada, so thus you are able to live in a much safer enviornment. So please, do not imply that you Canadians have it as rough, nor have the right to be as worried as your big brother to the south.

Of course our influence is mitigated by being so close to the world's super power but we are not the United States' lackies nor will be always agree with your people, policies or actions.

I think you're missing the point. I can understand how this being an attack on your country being extremely important to Americans, it can not equate to the effect on any other country. I believe you are ignoring the real issue though, I am not saying it effected us all equally but in this global enviroment and given that Canada and the US are inseparable in economics, history and friendship that this issue has effect us, not Canadians, dutch, Americans but people when it comes to 9/11. I see no reason why me, TK, Galleleo, CK and the rest can't say what they want on this. Can you give me anything?

The recent problems in the US are a result of past trangressions in the world starting just before WW2 and you're over simplifying why 9/11 happened.

Edit: Lets drop the patriotic crap guys, I'm not saying so and so has it more rough or that any one country is better only that everyone here is free to say what they want on this film, 9/11 ANYTHING they want. I feel for the families of the dead just as much as any American just as I'm sure some guy in England does.

[Sarien]

Canada, a major ally of the USA? Oh, of course, then why don't our great "allies" help us a little bit more with the conflict we're involved in?

Get the fuck out of our shadow, without the USA you would actually have to build a military which could defend the country.

LOL

So, Immediately after 9/11, when the USA invaded Afghanistan, Allied Canadian forces went and fought too.

In Afghanistan, Canada suffered her first wartime casualties since World War II.

I'm an American, and I'm basically asking the both of you to please stop being an embarrassment. The jokes about Canada? Yeah, jokes aren't always true.


Were Canadian forces in Iraq? I'm not sure, but I don't think so. If they weren't.. maybe, just maybe it was because this monkey of a president started that war pre-emptively, and without sound basis in fact?

Idiots.


And I agree: If you don't want to see it, don't go watch it. Nobody is making you.

[Zingy]

In the 1960's the US government came close to doing something similar to 9/11 inside the United States with "Operation Northwoods" where they had proposed to use a faked terrorist attack as precedent to invade Cuba. Ultimately president Kennedy rejected the proposal.

All the details about 9/11 (including all of the scientific inconsistencies involved) point to a well planned government operation. George Bush Jr. simply needed an excuse to finish what George Bush Sr. had started years ago.

I'm an American, but I realize that there is corruption in most governments, especially one like ours which tries to reach over-reach its boundaries far too often.

This United 93 will just help extend the propoganda further, by making 9/11 seem like something it was not.

[Squeezer]

In the 1960's the US government came close to doing something similar to 9/11 inside the United States with "Operation Northwoods" where they had proposed to use a faked terrorist attack as precedent to invade Cuba. Ultimately president Kennedy rejected the proposal.

All the details about 9/11 (including all of the scientific inconsistencies involved) point to a well planned government operation. George Bush Jr. simply needed an excuse to finish what George Bush Sr. had started years ago.

I'm an American, but I realize that there is corruption in most governments, especially one like ours which tries to reach over-reach its boundaries far too often.

This United 93 will just help extend the propoganda further, by making 9/11 seem like something it was not.

Hi Tone!

edit: I said it first.

[Liquid Blue]

I agree with Galleleo's first post. "Too soon" seems like hand-waving to me. How soon is too soon? Oh, right, you don't know, because it's a completely nonsensical metric.

If it's too soon for you to watch a film about a tragic event, just... don't watch it.

Too soon doesn't seem like a whimsical notion or gauge of time as long as there are troops in Iraq and Bush is still the president. I honestly don't know or will try to guess how long the troops will stay over there, but a movie like this being made while Bush is still president just seems cheesy and inappropriate- like somoene said, it seems more like an attempt to get the patriotic blood flowing (propoganda ahoy) more so than an in-depth look at what happened on flight 93.

The option to not watch it is always available, but that doesn't mean people still can't have or express their feelings about the film.