Israel / Lebanon Shit storm

[gran guerrero]

Dear Liquid Blue,
I apologize that your pertinent, topical, and thoughtful thread has been hijacked by people like Izor and Skitzo. Let's let them battle it out and maybe one of them will die and the world will be a better place.

Love,
Me

P.S. Cocks

regards,

[Hakaku]

lol disp, how does saying what you just said do anything except call for killing more arabs?

-Get it right next time, there's a difference between two peoples.

Like I said earlier, history already proved me right with Japan.

-There's also a difference between wars. Don't compare Japan to Israel-Hezbollah. Have you even read my post earlier?

[Izor]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=arab

If you need help understanding the evolution of the english language and how we refer to people, feel free to use urbandictionary as a guide to 'keep up with the times'. Might be incorrect technically but thats what the word means now. I'm sure I could think of other words that originally came from something incorrect but managed to be accepted widely.

[Hakaku]

Go ask someone who lives in Egypt if they're Arab. It's practically an offense to them.

[Da1andonly]

On behalf of the entire European population, please forgive us. We'd like to terminate SkitZo aswell.

[Displaced]

Izor, again....

From the get go, i said that i was not offering any solutions, none..

just shedding some light and trying to answer questions/make counter points to stop people from seeing it as a simple case of bombing the shit out of lebanon.

Yes i do see the hezbullah as hate mongers, but that doesnt justify eradicating lebanon, because the truth of the matter is, all of lebanon doesnt hate Israel, and all of lebanon isnt hezbullah...

Yes, suicidebombers aren't "educated" by your standards, but they are smart enough to build a bomb in their basement and get past some Israeli checkpoints in order to blow themselves up for a belief. It's not rocket sience by any means, but id pin it more down to fanatic belief than purely a lack of education.
Re-educating someones religion/beliefs isn't too easy, especially when Israel is giving them more and more excuses to be hated by the Arab population at large...

Yes, I said thats about all Hezbollah can do, which was an answer to Farscape's question, now why do you still think that eradicating lebanon will eradicate Hezbollah?

They will just move to another area of the ME, like Palestine, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, whatever, and continue to attack Israel within Israel.

[Izor]

just shedding some light and trying to answer questions/make counter points to stop people from seeing it as a simple case of bombing the shit out of lebanon.

This is interesting, because you dont offer any way this can end that isnt as simple as bombing the shit out of lebanon. Have you ever thought about the short and long term effects bombing them and cutting of the lebanese economy will be?

Short term: Lebanon will be forced to take responsibility and Hezbollah will no longer be a threat to Israel. This violence will quickly end.

Long term: Another group will just end up coming to power. It's a pretty endless cycle, however if Israel immediately stomps out the threat when they become a problem and does so very brutally, these people will eventually learn who's boss in that area.

The fact is, Disp, these people have no regard for other humans lives, and sometimes not even their own. I think that you can even agree with me that they need to be controlled, because there is no possible way with as much hatred as they have for Israel that they will ever stop until their goal is fulfilled. The only way I can see to stop them from being a harm to people is to fear for the lives of their families. If Israel started leveling towns in Southern Lebanon where they're being attacked from, I can guarantee you that the violence would end, at least right now. Some whiners would bitch about it being a 'humanitarian crisis' but thats what every war is. Prolonging this conflict by having to abide by rules of war, while your enemies are not bound to such things is incredibly stupid, because eventually the civilian death toll will reach more than it would if you just started going apeshit on towns harboring these militants.

[Displaced]

I havent because I dont feel that i am well enough versed in Hezbullah and their history to give you an accurate rundown of possible scenarios, ive only been to lebanon (Beirut) once and ive only had a few lebanese aquaintances, so first hand information isnt as high as from Iraq, where I did offer solutions.
I will however, to put you at ease, give a possible solution that arent leveling lebanon.

Short Term: Level southern Lebanonn, Syria gets pissed off as does Iran, funding for Hezbollah increases, funding for Hamas increases... I wouldnt be surprised if the Amal militia gets back into its shady business and Attacks on Israel are Increased and larger in magnitude.

Civilians suffer, Hezbollah is happy.

Long Term: For every suicide bombing in Jerusalem and Rocket fired into Israel, Israel retaliates by leveling another 10 houses and killing a dozen civilians, more civilians suffer, and Hezbollah isnt bothered by it.
After a while, Syria may mobilize its army, which will definately get Iran's backing and then we have a full out conflict that will last a long time.

One solution I see is negotiation, Hezbollah definately wants something that Israel can give them, it wont be a solution, but it might brign a small ceasefire and stop the situation from escalating at the moment.

I've heard that Israel has sent Mossad into Lebanon, I dont know if thats true or not, if it is, id pull them out before they asassinate someone they arent supposed to.

During that down time, find out exactly where figureheads like Nasrallah and Mugniyah are (probably in Syria or Egypt), and follow/track their movements to somewhere a little more remote, where you can deal with them with minor civilian casualties. (again its no easy task, but i still see it as much more feasible than leveling lebanon)

Find out exactly which Schools, Hospitals, TV stations, Prizons are Hezbullah run, and try to put them out, try to hurt their recruitment and propaganda cores as much as possible, this in turn will make it much harder for them to recruit new blood, and to continue their day to day operations as effectively.

Thats not to say they wont continue in syria and other arab states, but it will atleast take them some time to rebuild their infastructure in lebanon.
(you will argue that you can dot hat by leveling lebanon too, but if you dont level it, but only strike at designated and definate hezbollah targets, you wont injure nearly has many civilians, and the repricussions wont be as high)

As for the fact that lebanon has to take "charge" of Hezbollah, Lebanon and many arab states dont see Hezbollah as a terrorist faction, they see them as freedom fighters, resistance militia, not as terrorists, and as such dont think of them as terrorists, but as soldiers for Islam, why would you want to remove and take control of the soldiers protecting your country?

its a bit like if someone from the KSA suddenly called divisions of the US army terrorists because of black ops and incursions made during the last few decades, its basically the same thing, depending on which side you're on.

[Capital Knockers]

I don't see why everyone is focousing on the Lebanese government so much. They won't be the ones to solve this unless they are forced, and thats what the Isrealis are trying for.

Syria funds Hezbofuckingwhatever. Iran back them. The international community should be using more of it's influence. I'm tired of the UN being such a worthless piece of crap. It's very creation was to prevent large scale conflicts such as this one, by a co-operated international effort. If countries like Russia and China aren't willing to help take a stand, and the international community is arguing, that just gives these guys more time.

Conspiracy theory wise, I think Russia and China are just using their international power to protect the massive trade the two countries could have. Meanwhile China sits back and lets this stuff happen to take the eyes off their own national problems. Let's face it, if China and Russia actually stepped up, and the 5 main guys of the Security Council said - hey Syria, Iran - Stop. They'd be pretty stupid not too. Especially if China got serious, considering they're so close, and have such a massive army/trade influence.

[FarScape]

lol knockers...
dont forget that china and russia themself occupy tibet and Chechenia.
doing war crimes there as well, but its not on the top media issue, so who cares?

displaced, as i said before, its all about education.
the muslims in the area, atleast most of them, are stupid brainwashed people... if some sheikh will tell them to jump from the roof for allah, they will.

europe is blind, they are soon going to be taken by muslims. it started with the last suicide bombs and other terrorist attacks on europe for the last few years.
im sure there are extremists, redical muslims who preach to destroy europe and all the christian and jews in the world. im sure the police and other security services in europe follow after this.
to solve this problem, the people who preach and raise the hate, should be jailed, or dead in good way.

the problem in lebanon and the islamic nations here in the middle east, is that hating us and preaching to jihad and muslims war againts israel and USA is part of their agenda, education. An eleven years old child in lebanon, speak about how she was happy when hezbullah killed israelies, and how that the group help her fix somethings that were broken in her school, im really charmed!

i agree with you that israel should stop bombing bierut, since what we wanted to clear by that, was well said, and they got pressured to the corner.
now we should focus on hezbullah troops and leaders only.

about syria and iran, as i said before, and blue liquid or whatever was his nick, respond really foolishly, is that israel doesnt fear from syria.
its syria that should fear us, and they do, thats why they deny very quickly any rumors that they are involved in the fighting between us and hizbullah.

and ofcourse we all fear of WW3, but can anyone clear my eyes and tell me, why the hell there is a risk to WW3? who will help iran and syria againts israel, and who said that USA will jump and fight againts iran so quickly?

[FarScape]

quick note...

not all the muslims and arabs are bad brainwashed people.
im talking about the redical idiots in my posts.

sorry if any muslim guy here got offended :-P

[Shas'la T'au Kais]

six pointed pentagram.

haha

[gran guerrero]

quick note...

not all the muslims and arabs are bad brainwashed people.
im talking about the redical idiots in my posts.

sorry if any muslim guy here got offended :-P

THAT WOULD BE ME!

[FarScape]

as i said, gran, im sorry.
didnt mean to generalize

[DoTheFandango]

has a symbol as a six pointed pentagram. hmmm coincidence?