Fuck College

[DoTheFandango]

Then what's the point of going to a better high school if everyone gets the same education in college?

I guess that's why you don't see people flocking to the Netherlands for college.

[Epinephrine]

But my point is, I think it's unfair that some people have an advantage because of the school they went too because their daddy is rich. In the Netherlands every University is of a good quality and graduating from one says that you have successfully rounded off a good educational process.

That's a pretty shallow point because if you're rich, you're going to have a LOT more advantages than just whatever school you went to. There's the fact that your friends will probably be rich, your parents will have rich contacts, and they will also be able to probably set you up with good jobs no matter what school you went to. The advantages of being rich are multi-faceted and just thinking that rich = better school, and better school = better job is pretty naive.

And for the record, for almost everything it doesn't matter what school you went to in North America. It matters if you want to be part of some 'old boys club' of rich people, but then again, by simply being rich you will get that advantage anyway. And besides, if the gains of going to a 'top school' in America are as huge as you claim it to be, wouldn't it be worth it to get a bank loan to pay for the education yourself even if you're poor anyway because eventually it will pay off?

[Galleleo]

The difference in High School is mainly related to the number of people graduating there, the number of dropouts, and the grades and stuff. Not as to name or fame.

And I am not saying that's the only benefit of being rich. But why add to it? It's like saying, well when you're black you already have disadvantages so denying you this job because your black doesn't matter, because hey, you already have multiple disadvantages in life, what's one more?

So, yes, Rich people already have advantages, why add to that by making certain university's exclusive?

[genocidal]

Except these universities aren't at all exclusive to rich people - just to smart people.

[Scurvy]

how much are we looking at here, for an ivy league school, minus all financial aid? i'm wondering how it compares to some of the art schools i applied to.

[Galleleo]

That's bs, not every poor smart kid get into an ivy-league school.

[Squeezer]

That's bs, not every poor smart kid get into an ivy-league school.

No, but almost every poor genius does.

[IKM]

No, but almost every poor genius does.

QFT. Again, let me remind you all that most of the top school and Ivies are NEED BLIND, meaning that they only see your financial situation after your accepted, and only if you apply for financial aid. And you cannot simply get into the ivies by being rich... you need to be incredibly intelligent (or athletic) and excel in extracurricular activities. The majority of the east coast schools in the United States are need blind, so the only factor in the application process is the students (and any legacy/strange family situations), not the size of some parent's wallet. And do not for a minute assume that just because you get rejected from an ivy that it is discrimination. I know plenty of kids, black, white, rich, poor, all incredibly smart (national merit scholars, 2300+ on their SATs, great grade and transcripts and extracurriculars), who were rejected.

[Squeezer]

You're right. I'm sure George Bush got into Yale on his own.

Just as I'm sure Chelsea Clinton's father had nothing to do with her acceptance.

Just the same as all those other congressman and Senator's sons earned their spot over others. Just because they don't disclose their financial information doesn't mean the university is not aware.

They need to make money too, and the most sure ways are to:
A: Get rich supporters and alumni
B: Make sure you're accepting someone that will pay full tuition.
C: Make friends with those high up in the govt, so maybe you catch a few breaks.

To deny that the Ivy League schools are made up mostly of rich kids is just being silly.

[Cops]

I don't recommend G-H's journalism program. I'm at Humber for their program and it is much better than what they have at G-H. Humber's paper and magazines are better established and have regular printing schedules to give students opportunities to produce work but I know final year students at G-H that still haven't gotten anything published in their paper. To be fair though, it is a newer program and they are improving.

I was told that as a Guelph-Humber Media Student I will have Journalism classes with other Humber Journalism Students. I thought you were trying to become a teacher TK, why did you decide to go to Humber? I applied to Sheridan, Mohawk, Humber and George Brown for Broadcast and Print Journalism courses but after talking to many people the general consensus is that going to college for Journalism gets you dick all but the Media Studies program gets you a degree and helps you get into places like CBC. I was talking to my aunt's friend who is a professor at Guelph-Humber and she told me knows of two students that she taught that just got a job as a host on Star TV and an editor at CBC. I think the huge problem that I found is that most places want you to have a degree and it will take me most likely ten years to get where I want to be by just having a dipoma in Journalism.

[Facetious]

There's a big difference between being merely rich and being George W. Bush or Chelsea Clinton. Of course having incredibly influential parents will get you into an Ivy league school, but it's not like you can get in just because your parents have millions of dollars.

I think a bigger problem with schools like that is affirmative action. I think it's ridiculous how a black or hispanic kid with a ton of advantages in life (lawyer parents, private school education, etc) gets preference over some poor white kid with crackhead parents. Affirmative action should be based on income level more than skin color. If your school ends up with a nice mix of skin colors, but everyone is still from the suburbs, how diverse is it really?

[Troll King]

I was told that as a Guelph-Humber Media Student I will have Journalism classes with other Humber Journalism Students. I thought you were trying to become a teacher TK, why did you decide to go to Humber? I applied to Sheridan, Mohawk, Humber and George Brown for Broadcast and Print Journalism courses but after talking to many people the general consensus is that going to college for Journalism gets you dick all but the Media Studies program gets you a degree and helps you get into places like CBC. I was talking to my aunt's friend who is a professor at Guelph-Humber and she told me knows of two students that she taught that just got a job as a host on Star TV and an editor at CBC. I think the huge problem that I found is that most places want you to have a degree and it will take me most likely ten years to get where I want to be by just having a dipoma in Journalism.

That's not exactly how it works. We do share many of the same teachers and supporting staff, but the two programs are run separately. Humber is also home to a brand new $2 million digital newsroom, while G-H students produce their publications out of their own, old newsroom. Who is your aunt's friend? I might know her.

[Jason]

the biggest thing i've taken away from this thread is that way too many people worry way too much about college. furthering your education, if you choose to do so, should be an experience, not a pile of anxiety and stress.

[Epinephrine]

There's a big difference between being merely rich and being George W. Bush or Chelsea Clinton. Of course having incredibly influential parents will get you into an Ivy league school, but it's not like you can get in just because your parents have millions of dollars.

I think a bigger problem with schools like that is affirmative action. I think it's ridiculous how a black or hispanic kid with a ton of advantages in life (lawyer parents, private school education, etc) gets preference over some poor white kid with crackhead parents. Affirmative action should be based on income level more than skin color. If your school ends up with a nice mix of skin colors, but everyone is still from the suburbs, how diverse is it really?

Face has the right idea here. Besides, most Ivys have eliminated 'legacy bonuses' (extra points if you have alumni relatives) that used to be very common when George Bush entered Yale. As well, Chelsea is pretty damn smart herself I'd believe. She is a Rhodes scholar and works for McKinsey... that doesn't just happen if you're stupid and don't at least somewhat deserve it.

[Cops]

That's not exactly how it works. We do share many of the same teachers and supporting staff, but the two programs are run separately. Humber is also home to a brand new $2 million digital newsroom, while G-H students produce their publications out of their own, old newsroom. Who is your aunt's friend? I might know her.

I will ask my mother tomorrow she knows her name, I'm still curious, are you a professor at Humber?

Do you see any correlation with careers any people who come out of the print and broadcast program at Humber? I'm applying to colleges and Universities but my first choice was Humber until I found out about Guelph-Humber. I'm also thinking about residence, not so much for the experience but the freedom. I think residence is silly if you live close enough but some situations make it worthy of the money.