University of Florida Police Brutality

[genocidal]

Okay people are missing the point. Everything from what he was asking to why he was escorted out is extraneous to what the problem is: being tased. Let's stop confusing the issues.

I don't think he should have been escorted out in the first place and I don't blame the guy for not wanting peoples' hands all over him. Yes he did start to flip out but he wasn't under arrest at that point so it's kind of hard to resist when you aren't under arrest. The point is the cops used excessive force, especially with tasing him while he was pinned down. It matters very little what he was saying - nor does it really matter why he was escorted out except to figure out at what point he was under arrest.

[Cops]

I watched the better quality video, he asked a question and was immediately grabbed and taken away, that's fucked up. If we was loud, ignorant or said something overwhelmingly offensive then I would understand if they needed to pull him away.

There was four cops if they wanted to get those cuffs on, they could have. Tasering someone who is pissed off is just going to make them more pissed off, it wasn't necessary.

ps, what's skull and bones?

1) He wasn't told why he was being taken away
2) He asked a question, this isn't communist Russia or Nazi Germany, you should be able to question authority
3) The use of the taser was not necessary, he was pinned down and the cops could have easily got him into those cuffs

[Kolar]

Police won't "beat your ass". They are trained in detaining people. Causing collateral damage as in kicking or punching or otherwise causing bodily harm on a suspect is not acceptable.

The issue with the tazer is that it's causing pain and escalates the situation because using it in this manner does not put the guy on the ground as it does using it from some distance. If a police officer started kicking you you would either defend yourself or attempt to escape, it's human nature.

While I agree with Conc we weren't there it is very clear in the video that he was detained on the ground and under control.

[Dameon Angell]

I'm going to let my inner Dennis Leary take over for a minute, cause he's been stirring.

You see, when you live in Los Angeles, you get to see a lot of high speed pursuits on TV. I don't know how prevalent they are where you are from, but I am under the presumption that we lead the nation in them. If I am wrong, that's okay, it doesn't matter. When you see the end of one of these chases the cops come up with their guns out and the suspect kindly lays down on the ground, puts his hands behind his back and then they cart him off to jail. Why? Cause he doesn't want to get his ass beat.

Now, there are the few occasions where a guy will run. When the guy runs they will have their ass taken down to the ground. Usually at this point the guy then complies with police. Why? Cause he was thrown on the ground, he doesn't wanna get his ass beat. But, then there's the third stage and this stage is where a lot of people start complaining.

Back in the day when you did something wrong and acted like a dumbass in front of authority figures, you got beat with a stick and thrown in the back of a van. If you watch that lovely YouTube video it's really good at showing only 1/4th of the story. No leadup, no follow through. Just the tazer, which is good if you wanna make people believe what you want to believe.

Now, back to the real world, where there is logic and consequences for your own actions, this guy starts running around, flailing his arms, pushing the Cops, wrestling with them, swinging elbows it appeared. The cop then goes "You need to comply" "You need to comply with this" "Sir, you are resisting arrest" in a very calm, but stern tone. The problem was that this dumbass kid was too busy screaming and crying to pay attention. Lastly the cop said that they're going to tazer the kid if he doesn't stop kicking and fighting back.

That's what happens when you act like a dumbass, you get tazered. No, I don't feel sorry for him.

But, instead of tazers, you know what they should have? You know those big hunting rifles they have that the bust out when a Bear goes on the run? They should get a guy with a big tranquilizer gun and pump the kid up with a few rounds. Then we can all watch and laugh as the kid runs around until he passes out and then wakes up in prison. You think he was crying then? I'd love to see him crying when he wakes up behind bars not knowing wtf happened.

This kid should take a note from Chris Rock: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_QcDK4LUFk
How not to get your ass beat by the cops.

[Kolar]

Metal, first that was pretty fucking rude and not called for. Conc isn't anything like that. There are people like the UCLA kid who believe making a scene and interrupting public functions is completely ok and is covered under free speech so they'll be annoying cunts to whomever they wish.

[MetalHeadz]

Here's the deal, though. I'm as big of a "freedom of speech advocate" as anyone on these boards, but I think there also is a point at which "free speech" just becomes ridiculous blather.

So you agree with freedom of speech but as long as it's not 'ridiculous blather'? The very essence of freedom of speech is that you can say whatever the fuck you like to anyone, no exceptions. By conforming to the idea that society is allowed their opinions you exempt yourself from saying that in some cases they shouldn't. You're a fuckin' hypocrit. It's your type of mentality which is held by autocrats in less priveleged countries to keep the population quiet. 'Yea, you're allowed to speak but as long as it's not against me or anything that makes me uncomfortable'.

You cunt.

Fuck you and fuck American conservatism.

[EnFlAmE]

they should have used mace instead

[Kolar]

I can understand that the officers want to protect themselves but their first duty is to protect the people, especially anyone they have or attempt to put in custody. Gen said an investigation is underway so hopefully that will clear things up and maybe change policy regarding reasonable use of these weapons. Registering compliance from a suspect who is already detained is still in my opinion not a valid use for them.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

I agree in thinking that tasers are over-used by police. But I take pause when I say this, because it isn't my ass trying to subdue an erratic-acting stranger.

I don't want to be tased, but then again, if I were a cop I wouldn't want to have my nose broken by some jacked-up loony, either. The guy was jumping around like crazy, waving his arms all over the place. Why didn't he just say "alright guys" and walk out? If he got arrested, he could go to the ACLU or (better yet) the news and talk about how he got "shut down." People would listen.

Like I said, you or I might think that the treatment is over-used, but you and I aren't police officers. I know if I were an officer, I'd be doing everything I could to make sure as little harm came to me as possible. So it's kind of a tough call.

[Kolar]

This excuse that "he had it coming" " he was looking for trouble" doesn't mean he should be treated harsher or any differently by police. The other issue is that these weapons are being used improperly by campus police. Put the political and hippie freedom of speech thing aside for a minute. This is causing pain in another human being, to have them submit to your authority. I know it's hard to empathize with these kids because they are 9 times out of 10 trying to make a scene but it still doesn't make their treatment any more justified.

[Dameon Angell]

I remember that UCLA video. The kid was screaming in a Library over some insane "freedom of speech" prattle. Kid had it coming.

Same thing for this guy, he was resisting arrest and screaming like a baby.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

Here's the deal, though. I'm as big of a "freedom of speech advocate" as anyone on these boards, but I think there also is a point at which "free speech" just becomes ridiculous blather. I watched the other parts of that video, and it just sounded like the guy was some sort of Alex Jones wannabe who had just read a website and had his panties in a huge twist. Want to know about his involvement in Skull & Bones? There's more reasonable ways to ask, and more appropriate times to ask.

Was it right to escort him out of the auditorium? I think it's not unreasonable that he would have been. Should he have been tased? Probably not. That's probably where there was an actual error in judgement on the police's part. Then again, I wasn't trying to restrain him and don't know what he was doing.

[gran guerrero]

on top of that they shut off his mic for no reason, how is this democratic? how is this just? wtf, I hear ppl always saying Americans aren't political enough, we're too apathetic. want to know why? THIS IS WHY. fucking ppl are being hushed for questions they dont want to answer and are getting butt fucked by pigs with tazers.

[Money]

i expect many euro opinions on this matter

[WuTang420]

they're not required to tell you till they book you at the station, then your booked on said charge