University of Florida Police Brutality

[Galleleo]

Guardia Civil is a Spanish police force with military and civil duties. It's primary mission is to protect the fatherland, their motto is: Anything for the fatherland (Todo por la Patria). You don't mess with these people at all, cause they mess you up.

[Kolar]

On the UCLA incident, the kid refused to move knowing he had no ID as if he were trying to make a point of it all. the fact of the matter was that there was a rapist on campus thus security had increased somewhat and all the students knew.

If he freaking got up, went with them and proved he was a student that simply left behind their card, he could have avoided the whole dam issue. Off camera, they tried to nudge him up with suggestive force, but he explicitly refused to budge thus granting the officers LTL force. The whining afterwards and complaining about the laughable connection to the patriot act is pathetic. it was either that or wrestling the student down which risks injury, especially in a crowded library. with a will such as his, i doubt he'd give in, even over a trivial matter such as an ID.

The kid deserved it, well a first tazer, not repeated jolts, but the he isn't as much a victim as the officers are innocent, same case with this Florida U guy.

While we all can agree most of these kids are looking to make an issue out of it neither the UCLA or UF incident was handled correctly by police. It's not about deserving any sort of punishment, police must treat EVERYONE the same following a set of protocols and after the fact justify their use of force.

Edit: When the UCLA incident was reviewed it was found campus police used excessive force anyways.

[Money]

its funny that john kerry says "hold on let me answer his question"

[phata$$]

This issue is way too debatable. It could seriously go on and on about whether the rent-a-cops handled it correctly or whether the student was exhibiting an excessive use of douchebag-ery.

Simply put, I believe that there are certain instances where being arrested are justified and instances where it's just plain wrong. This one, in my opinion, was justified. It didn't look like the cops were using excessive force initially. In fact, the student looked as if he was complying and it looked like they were just gonna walk out of the auditorium hassle-free. The student found it in his best interest to squirm and shout. Bad move. Especially in front of a distinguished political figure in which you're representing your college. The cops didn't escalate things, he did.

A number of my family members and friends are somewhat affiliated with California law enforcement, and I've been brought up to believe that you comply with the police first, then give your side of the story. It's just better for everyone that way. It seemed like the student wanted to raise some heads, guess he succeeded.

BTW: No one in the audience tried to do anything about the situation other than film it with their digital cameras and make a mental note of what to write on their blogs.

[SEAL]

I'm going to ignore the Euro posts A) because they're illogical B) because Euros are used to being sheep to their governments and C) because they're Euro.

Americans would like to think they live in a country with freedom of speech, but that isn't true. After september 11 G. Bush created fear among the people and told the citizens, you geno, that they needed protection. Every dictator has used the fear-factor to gain power by telling the people they need protection against the enemies. Now tell me. Who who is the sheep here?
Go ahead, ignore the euro.

And like guru said, hi by the way peter, wait until you meet the spanish police (gardia seville or something), or the french, or the italian, or the croation (etc,etc). Then you will learn the hard way what respect for authority is.

You're problem is that you live in a sue-country. A doctor is afraid to give perscription because he will get sue'd for wrong advice. If you poor coffee too hot, you get sue'd (i mean, WTF).

By removing all warning labels from all electrical devices, the problem (you, geno) will solve itself, but that's just an euro opinion.

[Ayano]

There was an incident at U of T a while back, police were using the tazer on this kid to get him to comply with their orders. He refused to show photo ID or didn't have any can't remember. They did it repeatedly over a few minutes. The police nearly caused a riot over it. Causing someone pain in an attempt to get them to comply is not right to me, it's no different then kicking the kid in the face. This weapon should only be used to subdue a dangerous suspect when lethal force is not warranted and where overwhelming force or the risk to the officers is too great.

On the UCLA incident, the kid refused to move knowing he had no ID as if he were trying to make a point of it all. the fact of the matter was that there was a rapist on campus thus security had increased somewhat and all the students knew.

If he freaking got up, went with them and proved he was a student that simply left behind their card, he could have avoided the whole dam issue. Off camera, they tried to nudge him up with suggestive force, but he explicitly refused to budge thus granting the officers LTL force. The whining afterwards and complaining about the laughable connection to the patriot act is pathetic. it was either that or wrestling the student down which risks injury, especially in a crowded library. with a will such as his, i doubt he'd give in, even over a trivial matter such as an ID.

The kid deserved it, well a first tazer, not repeated jolts, but the he isn't as much a victim as the officers are innocent, same case with this Florida U guy.

[Cops]

You sound like a fucking sheep of a European with your protocol bullshit. The guy acted like a moron and in my book they should have undressed him -to humiliate him- , shave him, put a big mark on his body and deport him to some camp. That will teach him for stepping out of line like that and asking questions is never a good thing in my opinion.

AND TOMORROW THE RED ARMY WILL MARCH AND WE WILL KILL ALL CAPITALIST PIGS IN THE NAME OF GLORY.

[Cyrus]

Cop killer, better you than me.
Cop killer, fuck police brutality!
Cop killer, I know your family's grievin'
(fuck 'em)
Cop killer, but tonight we get even

[Sleepy Weasel]

If you've watched some of the video's, I recommend you watch this video to get a better grasp on the story: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE76LQwT6qA

This is my first problem with what happened, why was his mic cut off? What did he do wrong at this point, completely ignoring how the rest of the story unfolded? He wasn't disrupting what was going on, he was given a chance to ask a question by being allowed to step up to the mic and ask a question just like everyone else if they wanted to. If you pay close attention, he was asking the question while a female police officer interrupted him. He was exorcising freedom of speech, he wasn't yelling or using profanity at this point.

People get their mics cut all the time at question and answer sessions in colleges, even at non political events. I went to a john cleese talk in college and about 10 people had the mic cut on them because they got too long winded, there are normally lines of people waiting to ask questions and you're supposed to keep it to a reasonable short question so everyone gets time to ask a question. They usually have strict time limits on these things and if you go over like 30 seconds you get cut off... not to mention this guy was obviously just using the format as a platform to give a rant. It's a privledge to get to come to these events and ask questions, they have no obligation to let you ramble on and badger the person giving the speech.

So yeah, absolutey nothing wrong or unusual about cutting his mic.

[Money]

we must arm all the public with automatic weapons and handguns they carry loaded at all times

Welcome to Houston, TX


or Texas as awhole

[Tone]

see my 2005 thread, "The Police State"

http://forums.trenchwars.org/showthread.php?t=20480

[Tone]

we must arm all the public with automatic weapons and handguns they carry loaded at all times

[Facetious]

The police do not have to tell you the crime for which they are arresting you, though they probably will

This is really the question in my mind. I'm too lazy to look it up and the wording on that is far too casual for me to take seriously. If they didn't have to tell him why they were arresting him AND he was attacking them (to me it looked like he was trying to escape, not attacking them) then their use of force was justified.

Still though, at no point did he get a stern warning, he was asked to leave and then forcefully taken out. It would have been far more appropriate to have a middle ground in there somewhere.

[stark]

After looking at ther longer version, it looks as though those officers were probably told to get this kid off the mic, as he took entirely too long, they told him to hurry up, he did say "blowjob" and as he kept rambling on, mostly with no questions, it doesn't even look as though they cut him off from that particular question, just his droning all together. One of Kerry's boys or the security supervisor probably radio'd those two individuals to get him out of there (and as it was in a private place... a college campus, they have that right). They were simply telling him to gtfo and were guiding him (there was no real initial force). Then he started tweaking out, rather then not making a scene and walking civilly with the officers, in which if he did so, he would not have been tasered nor thrown to the ground, handcuffed, or arrested. I said earlier they DON'T HAVE to tell you why they are arresting you while they are, however the intent was to simply escort him out, and he caused the arrest upon himself.


Edit: and they technically don't have to read them them the miranda warning until they begin question the individual about the crime (or if he starts talking about it, they do so he is informed of those rights).

[GuruMeditation]

because Euros are used to being sheep to their governments

....

hang on, an American just said that?