Proof the Bible is Garbage?

[Saturn V]

LOLOLOL What proof? Show me your proof...... Evolution has never been proven on a large scale(Marco). Darwin was a great mind?? LOL Read up on his life history. Tangible??? Show me please. Evolution is theroy, we accept it as fact because (we meaning society) there is no "Tangible" proof that God exists. In the same token there only a handful of fossils for the amout of species that "Science" says existed.

Metal Headz it takes more "Faith" for someone to believe in evolution then in a God. Let me simplify it for you.

1) No one saw the big bang. We are but a grain of sand in the universe. Radiation reaching us PROVES nothing. (It could be radiation for a star that went supernova)
2) No one has ever witness Non living matter i.e paper become living matter.
3) No one has found the tangible fossil record that you claim there is. Trillions upon trillinons of transitional fossils don't just disappear.
4) No one has lived 3 million years to watch something decay to properly caculate the half-life
5)No one has ever seen evolution(Marco) although we have seen micro it happens everyday
6) Most of the fossil record we have are sedimentary which means it would support a Great Flood happening rather than an ice age that happend over thousand of millions of years.


Like I said Before both evolution and creationism take faith

I was going to go line by line, but it's not worth it. All if your points are way the fuck off. I shouldn't have to sit here and educate you.

It's hard for me to ignore #4 and #6, though. I'm a geologist. I've been involved with radiometric dating of rocks using uranium found in zircon. Zircon that I worked and worked at to extract from rocks. Do you know anything about zircon? The crystal structure? The different properties? Which heavy liquids are adequate for gravity separation? No? Do you even know how to calculate half-life? Or know what an ion microprobe is?

Oh, and do you REALLY think fossils would survive in igneous or metamorphic rock? Of course they're found in sediments. And if anything, the way the sediments are deposited world wide completely disprove a "Great Flood".

Fuck. Your post is just further proving you're an idiot. Your "questions" or "problems" aren't ingenious thinking. You really think cosmologists, biologists, or geologists are going to go, "Oh shit! This Soul Survivor kid is right! Why didn't we think of that?"

[HeavenSent]

Here's food for thought:

If the Mayan calendar is right and If it coincides with the bible, which i believe it does, then we can expect the shit to hit the fan in the middle of 2008. What's this event that happens in the last 3 1/2 years?

I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (Rev. 13:3-8)

This beast in Rev is a political power that takes over the world. They ask who is able to make war with it because when the world is one, there are no enemy states or any singles entities with the power to go against it.

And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. (Dan:8:25)

So it's going to happen within a year (+/-) of the next U.S. presidential election.

...and the reason I use scripture is because there's power in the word. Those who are of the Lord (whether they know it or not) will have their eyes opened when it's their time to wake up. Those who are not of the Lord, hate scripture... it burnzes, it freezes. ... it reminds them of their pending judgment.

[Vatican Assassin]

I don't know how you people can be so cynical and narrow-minded. I retract my statements that TW has a good, entertaining community. I make a new observation that TW is full of blind people. Live in the world, not of the world. You'll see the truth some day, whether it be before or after you die - I don't know. I just hope you don't squander your chance on Earth by denying a faith because you're too small and scared to accept that there is a God and that there is a supreme plan for our salvation.

Kahlan don't be too quick to judge 1000 people because of a dozen.

[Vatican Assassin]

The Big Bang (which has been scientifically proven to have happened through radiation from the BB that is now reaching us)

Science does not claim to ever PROVE anything. It relies upon making hypothesis and testing them, and making THEORIES. Perhaps the worst part of this thread is that we all, at such a young age, are absolutely certain that we have proof of our perspective. This close-mindedness makes it difficult to grow.

[Noah]

I don't know how you people can be so cynical and narrow-minded. I retract my statements that TW has a good, entertaining community. I make a new observation that TW is full of blind people. Live in the world, not of the world. You'll see the truth some day, whether it be before or after you die - I don't know. I just hope you don't squander your chance on Earth by denying a faith because you're too small and scared to accept that there is a God and that there is a supreme plan for our salvation.

In the same post as you call us narrow-minded, you also say flat out that our views are wrong. Not only are you saying that our views are wrong, you also mock us for it by calling us small and scared. Am I the only one to see a glaring contradiction here?

[Zerzera]

I'll just claim that I believe all of your believes. Doesn't that make you happy?
Who the fuck cares what other people believe, even if they carry it out too. It's not like they can convert you, and the fact that you are on this game forum shows you are moderate in your beliefs to start with.

[Ephemeral]

Science does not claim to ever PROVE anything. It relies upon making hypothesis and testing them, and making THEORIES. Perhaps the worst part of this thread is that we all, at such a young age, are absolutely certain that we have proof of our perspective. This close-mindedness makes it difficult to grow.

Respectfully disagree. When a theory has been proven and can be replicated with the same results by others, it is then considered a 'fact' or 'factual' and no longer is a theory. For example, evolution is a fact.
Evolution is defined as 'things change', and it is easily proven that species evolve (change). Years ago, religion saw this as a threat, so they declared evolution as incorrect. Now evolution is being further defined as micro vs. macro evolution which allows wiggle room for agreeing that evolution in a species does happen while still maintaining that one species does not evolve into another. This is typical of the ‘God by gap’ perspective that humans have had over the centuries. When man did not understand something, it was attributed as God’s work. There was a natural fiction that occurred as science began to explain things that were previously attributed as God’s work and this makes it easy to understand why this thinking still exists today.

For me, science and the more we learn is not a threat to my belief in a God since I consider the Bible a tremendous guide to a person’s spirituality and leading a good, moral life. But I think it was written by man and I do not take it literally. I feel that the truths/meanings in the Bible are very real and it contains God’s words, but these words are filtered through mans thoughts and written by mans pen. As such, I look beyond what I feel are the obvious factual errors in the Bible (flood covering entire world, Adam and Eve, miracles, etc.) and look for to the moral and spiritual lessons they offer.

And btw, while I agree that being open minded is a key factor that we should all strive for, the primary mechanism for being close minded is for a person to make sweeping generalizations. Towards that end, not everyone here is young.

[RednaZ]

I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (Rev. 13:3-8)

This beast in Rev is a political power that takes over the world. They ask who is able to make war with it because when the world is one, there are no enemy states or any singles entities with the power to go against it.

The beast in Rev is Johan from the bestest anime ever, Monster!

* Monster begins with a passage from The Revelation of St. John the Divine, Chapter 13: Verses 1 & 4

And I saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads, the names of blasphemy. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, "Who is like unto the beast? Who is able to make war with him?"

[Mythrandir]

Respectfully disagree. When a theory has been proven and can be replicated with the same results by others, it is then considered a 'fact' or 'factual' and no longer is a theory. For example, evolution is a fact.

Actually, there is a big difference between fact and theory. In public discourse, the word evolution is used for both the fact as the theory describing the fact: it is a fact that evolution occurs, but the mechanisms through which it occurs is described by the theory of (the fact of) evolution. The fact of evolution remains, but the theory is still changing and getting more precise.
Note that there is also quantum theory, which is one of the most accurate theories created by man, modern technology depends on it, and still it is "just a theory". It can't ever become a fact.
The same applies to the theory of general relativity, it has been verified, GPS depends on it. Yet it is still "just a theory".

[HeavenSent]

The problem with 'religion' and especially with Christianity is that so many 'babes' in the Lord read the bible for the first time and take most if not all they read literally. It's unfortunate, because many of these 'babes' become church leaders/preachers within the first couple years of 'finding the Lord'. So like a bad virus, their ignorance is being preached to 'seekers of the truth' every week.

It was customary in the ancient world to first get a thorough education on divine understanding. The reason so many were 30 years old when they began their ministry is because that was the age requirement to graduate the course. To speak of God with any credibility and authority the person had to be at least 30 years old. The reason Jesus was in Glastonbury England before he began his ministry is because at the time, that was where the best schools in the world were. The Druids had the best schools. The Roman elite also sent their children there to be educated.

There's probably more Christian denominations with their own skewed doctrine than all the different religions around the world combined. Where science gives evidence contrary to a doctrine, there you can see the credibility of that doctrine. This is not to say science has all the answers. Science is still learning as well. In the end...when all is said & done, Science & Theology will agree. :wub:

[Vatican Assassin]

Respectfully disagree. When a theory has been proven and can be replicated with the same results by others, it is then considered a 'fact' or 'factual' and no longer is a theory. For example, evolution is a fact.
Evolution is defined as 'things change', and it is easily proven that species evolve (change). Years ago, religion saw this as a threat, so they declared evolution as incorrect. Now evolution is being further defined as micro vs. macro evolution which allows wiggle room for agreeing that evolution in a species does happen while still maintaining that one species does not evolve into another. This is typical of the ‘God by gap’ perspective that humans have had over the centuries. When man did not understand something, it was attributed as God’s work. There was a natural fiction that occurred as science began to explain things that were previously attributed as God’s work and this makes it easy to understand why this thinking still exists today.

For me, science and the more we learn is not a threat to my belief in a God since I consider the Bible a tremendous guide to a person’s spirituality and leading a good, moral life. But I think it was written by man and I do not take it literally. I feel that the truths/meanings in the Bible are very real and it contains God’s words, but these words are filtered through mans thoughts and written by mans pen. As such, I look beyond what I feel are the obvious factual errors in the Bible (flood covering entire world, Adam and Eve, miracles, etc.) and look for to the moral and spiritual lessons they offer.

And btw, while I agree that being open minded is a key factor that we should all strive for, the primary mechanism for being close minded is for a person to make sweeping generalizations. Towards that end, not everyone here is young.

Science deals with facts yes, but there are very few laws and still, as I said, there is no room for PROOF in the scientific method. Micro evolution is a fact, I agree, but it does not proove anything beyond itself. Taking the fact of evolution and creating a greater theory should not be considered proof. One of science's greatest characteristics is that it always leaves itself open to further interpretation should more factual data be applied.

And if you think I'm close minded for calling everyone here young, well, maybe so. I'd rather make sweeping generalizations about something as trivial as your age as claiming to know the ultimate reality of existance. And besides, youth is relative. Don't sell yourself short Ephemeral, you got a long ways to go. I consider heavensent young and myself besides at 27, maybe when we're 70 we can start to think that we have seen enough to make such important observations.

[Zerzera]

maybe when we're 70 we can start to think that we have seen enough to make such important observations.

When it comes to who's right about religion I believe you have to wait until after your death. That has nothing to do with age.

[Vatican Assassin]

When it comes to who's right about religion I believe you have to wait until after your death. That has nothing to do with age.

Huh well in that case I guess we should concentrate on how we treat others. LOLOLing at others, telling them not to post here cuz they are such morons, perhaps working on these types of behavior is more important than knowing whats going to happen to us when we die, or what we will evolve into in a million years.

[Deductable]

Holy shit a lot of y'all are heathens. There is a lot of proof that the bible is truthful, and I for one, hope that you guys find God before it is too late.

I laughed rly rly hard. you must be messed up in the head...

And on a side note every lesson that is in the bible have been taken from other religions which existed before christianity. Anyways believe in what you want but don't preach/force your religion to others that really don't wanna hear it. And please stop thinking that your religion(what ever it is) is anyway better from the other religions.

Organized religion is the #1 cause of suffering in the world past/present/future because ppl interpret the teachings of every religion so badly...

edit: I stopped reading after tones nice video

[SEAL]

Proof Google is, in fact, God.
http://www.thechurchofgoogle.org/Scr...le_Is_God.html