Proof the Bible is Garbage?

[Cops]

Cops you may have misunderstood the theory cognitive dissonance. It is not something that overcomes 'other people'. It describes Metalheadz's psyche as much as it describes yours or mine. Metalheadz's opinions causes cognitive dissonance to trigger within you as much as your opinions trigger his.

I'm not seeking constancy on my thoughts and feelings as far as religion goes, if I was I'd be making threads about this and pegging religious and athiests as a certain type of people. I guess if anything My cognitive dissonance is triggered when people are so dull minded that they cannot see they are so similar to the person and people they hate. I don't even know if I can consider that cognitive dissonance.

I've tried to say that stereotypical comments geared towards religious people as well as atheists cause nothing but controversy. I'm not trying to prove to myself or anyone that believing or disbelieving is right or wrong, it's wrong when you close your mind off to other possibilities and look at things as either black or white. Metalheadz thinks in absolutes and refuses to let himself be open to any idea of a 'higher power' or the idea of a 'creator' because this conflicts with his developed theories on how he believes the world works. People alike regardless if they're religious or atheists develop a story in which they explain how life works, and some tend to stay so loyal to this story that they're deluding themselves from enjoying the beauty of questioning and not fully understanding. That's why when Genocidal, ConcreteSchlYrd, Kolar, Jeem, or anyone other person calls him on having a personality similar to that of a religious fundamentalists it is completely justified.

[HeavenSent]

I was only kidding, but if you insist. Didn't you just mean to say;

In the land of cowards, the brave is king.

Not at all.
More like... in a land of ( A ) the ( B ) is king.

A:
1. ignorance
2. fear
3. fools
4. complacency
5. stubbornness

B:
1. knowledge
2. faithful
3. wise
4. progress
5. open minded

Although your idea works just as well, that never entered my mind. :P
I got the idea from a line in the movie Minority Reports.

[Money]

this thread is proof the bible is garbage lolz

[Bioture]

Not at all.
More like... in a land of ( A ) the ( B ) is king.

Don't forget Erasmus! A: The Blind, B: One-eyed man

[Cops]

this thread is proof the bible is garbage lolz

it sure couldn't save you from going to jail.

[Mythrandir]

I'm not seeking constancy on my thoughts and feelings as far as religion goes, if I was I'd be making threads about this and pegging religious and athiests as a certain type of people. I guess if anything My cognitive dissonance is triggered when people are so dull minded that they cannot see they are so similar to the person and people they hate. I don't even know if I can consider that cognitive dissonance.

I don't think you can simply distance yourself from the theory of cognitive dissonance just by saying so. This is how I see it: you do have sought a certain constancy on your thoughts and feelings as far as religion goes, you have stated your view on the issue in this thread. More importantly, you and Metalheadz are both defending a position regarding religion. You both use strong language. From that perspective, either of you have equal rights to play the 'psychology' card, so it seems better to me to debate the issue instead.

I've tried to say that stereotypical comments geared towards religious people as well as atheists cause nothing but controversy. I'm not trying to prove to myself or anyone that believing or disbelieving is right or wrong, it's wrong when you close your mind off to other possibilities and look at things as either black or white. Metalheadz thinks in absolutes and refuses to let himself be open to any idea of a 'higher power' or the idea of a 'creator' because this conflicts with his developed theories on how he believes the world works. People alike regardless if they're religious or atheists develop a story in which they explain how life works, and some tend to stay so loyal to this story that they're deluding themselves from enjoying the beauty of questioning and not fully understanding. That's why when Genocidal, ConcreteSchlYrd, Kolar, Jeem, or anyone other person calls him on having a personality similar to that of a religious fundamentalists it is completely justified.

I don't enjoy defending Metalheadz, he is indeed an obnoxious shithead to anyone who happens to disagree with him on any issue (I'm speaking from experience here). But it is not fair to put words in your opponent's mouth and then dispel them with ease, that's called a strawman. He's never avoided the concept of a 'creator', and even put forward arguments why such a creator is unlikely to exist. I also think that it is a huge stretch to compare him with a religious fundamentalist. Fundies are capable of committing evil acts in name of their conviction, atheism has no imperative whatsoever. Your position of relativism is a smart one, because you allow your mind to be convinced of either 'absolute' position in due time, if at all. But that doesn't mean that anyone taking a more absolute position is immediately wrong or close-minded, there are many absolutes in this universe.

[Foreign]

Fundies are capable of committing evil acts in name of their conviction, atheism has no imperative whatsoever.

While I completely agree with the bit about fundamentalists, I would rather say atheism has no united imperative. There are plenty of atheists out there who want to destroy God and/or discredit religion (i.e. Pullman).

[Mythrandir]

While I completely agree with the bit about fundamentalists, I would rather say atheism has no united imperative. There are plenty of atheists out there who want to destroy God and/or discredit religion (i.e. Pullman).

First, no atheist can want to destroy God, because to them he does not exist. I'd say that atheism (a negative position) is very often paired with a positive position (secularism, naturalism, humanism) on the philosophy of life. And it is from these positive positions that individuals like Pullman are motivated to do what they do. In that was it is nothing but one 'meme' fighting over territory agains other 'memes'.

[Foreign]

First, no atheist can want to destroy God, because to them he does not exist. I'd say that atheism (a negative position) is very often paired with a positive position (secularism, naturalism, humanism) on the philosophy of life. And it is from these positive positions that individuals like Pullman are motivated to do what they do. In that was it is nothing but one 'meme' fighting over territory agains other 'memes'.

Atheists cannot deny the fact that the idea of God exists. That is what I was referring to when I said "destroy God."

[Noah]

We cannot deny the idea that God exists. However we can consider it to be as far fetched as being ruled by a regime of evil space monkeys. I can't deny that to be an idea either. I really have no intention to destroy your deity, nor the believes of those who thinks the evil space monkeys are gods, because I know that those who has faith will continue to have it until they possibly lose it on their own.

[Foreign]

I really have no intention to destroy your deity, nor the believes of those who thinks the evil space monkeys are gods, because I know that those who has faith will continue to have it until they possibly lose it on their own.

Right, but you can't deny the fact that other atheists do have that intention :P

[Vykromond]

Considering some other contributors to this thread, no, probably not.

[Kolar]

Right, but you can't deny the fact that other atheists do have that intention :P

I would say no. I think most people are more concerned with their own stuff, and with fundamentalism, authoritarianism ect... then with what someone else believes. MetalHeadz is a rare exception but not a characterization of an atheist, an agnostic or any where in between.

[Foreign]

I would say no. I think most people are more concerned with their own stuff, and with fundamentalism, authoritarianism ect... then with what someone else believes. MetalHeadz is a rare exception but not a characterization of an atheist, an agnostic or any where in between.

As I said before, you really can't throw all atheists into a certain mold. I've known many an atheist in my time whose sole source of satisfaction (woot for alliteration) has been taking shots at others' beliefs. I've also known those who aren't that way. The main idea here isn't guessing what the general behavioral trends of atheists is, but rather observing that there really isn't one. I was simply noting the difference between having no imperative and having a greatly diverse imperative.

[Noah]

You have those who spouts their believes on others in every belief there is, be it christianity, islam, atheist, etc, etc, etc.

Only tiny exception to that is Buddhism, and that is why I respect it so deeply.