War?

[Exalt]

The oldest civilisations, that still exist, are busy strapping bombs to their bodies and blowing themselves up.
You give credence to man, as if time has any influence. We are still the same ignorant being we were 1000 years ago.
Exalt grasps the political dominance of his nation with somekind of personal gratification.. Neglecting his forefathers who most likely were just as patriotic towards a European nation with which he now condemns.. It is all bullshit. False. Misguided faith.
The fact is, there are only two nations in this world.

the USA became the world power it is because of WW2, because we decided to change from isolationists and become the world's "peacekeeper" in a way, because we didn't want another world war on our hands and it would keep on going if Europe was left to fuck with each other like they did for centuries

Europe has always known petty conflict with each other since their specific nations were created... USA didn't join the war to gain land or power or anything like that, we did it to stop hitler, and also to stop japan from attacking us

On top of that, the only reason they DID attack us is because we were supplying the ALLIED nations with weapons, food, money, etc and the AXIS nations did not like that too much, we also stopped japan from gaining oil, which they desperately needed, hence pearl harbor

We have always been allies with britian and france and all those western European countries, because mostly we have the same values and came from the same place. Same with Canada and Australia... but also we are different because we became a superpower due to the European countries deciding world wars were fun and fucking each other up over land was worth it to them apparently...

Stop calling USA the war hungry people when your nations were bred on war, and created war for hundreds and hundreds of years... and this is even after the whole roman empire, the holy roman empire, etc etc in which your countries were part of

[PaulOakenfold]

Walls of motherfucking text

[kthx]

Neglecting his forefathers who most likely were just as patriotic towards a European nation with which he now condemns.. It is all bullshit. False. Misguided faith.
The fact is, there are only two nations in this world.

Apparently you don't remember the.. American revolution, in which we... were very unpatriotic towards our former European influences. Idiot.

And if there were only two nations in the world, there would only be two conflicts in the world, there would be the one nation and everyone who sided with them, and another nation which the rest sided with. Your logic is very flawed if you think that. Israel and Iran. Russia and Georgia. America and Iraq. North Korea and South Korea. China and Tibet. There are so many conflicts for different reasons that there are more than two nations in the world.

[TagMor]

The age is always modern. You give a lot of weight to a country barely 250 years old in the history of man.

The oldest civilisations, that still exist, are busy strapping bombs to their bodies and blowing themselves up.
You give credence to man, as if time has any influence. We are still the same ignorant being we were 1000 years ago.
Exalt grasps the political dominance of his nation with somekind of personal gratification.. Neglecting his forefathers who most likely were just as patriotic towards a European nation with which he now condemns.. It is all bullshit. False. Misguided faith.
The fact is, there are only two nations in this world.

[Exalt]

We didn't even start the cold war, we were just put in the middle of it.

And I still say that we would have won ww2 without the US too, it might have taken longer, but we would still have won. Hitlers army was getting weaker, there was more people in Germany disagreeing with Hitler, etc. etc.

I like how you underestimate Europe though, gj.

are you serious? LOL?

i like how you OVERestimate Europe, gj.

Europe was already done for before the US even joined the war, and you had no chance whatsoever to beat germany if the US never joined, sorry buddy, learn a thing or two about history before you talk to me again, fool

[Ayano]

The age is always modern. You give a lot of weight to a country barely 250 years old in the history of man.

Well those are the 3 military powers. We can talk philosophy, liberalism, economy, and diplomacy; but in the end, troops on the ground, even merely their presence, are the real weight behind 'binding' decisions.

We don't get much choice. Well, unless the UN gets an army of androids.

[Zerzera]

I'd rather have a somewhat transparent greedy capitalist nation influencing the world rather than a secretive communist country; or an opaque, disgrunted, former socialist government securing buffer land against a fellow democratic nation during the modern age.

The age is always modern. You give a lot of weight to a country barely 250 years old in the history of man.

[Ayano]

The problem isn't that Universal Health Care doesn't work, it does, it's that you haven't seen good governance in what 10 years? Your economy looks like shit...

Says the country that contains the 2nd largest reservoir of oil in the world.

In addition, Canada doesn't need to maintain a large military presence overseas. Sure the US could cut back on this as everyone just hates us being there, but if the US's influence wanes in conflict stricken areas, the world will bleed a couple more kiloliters of blood.

I'd rather have a somewhat transparent greedy capitalist nation influencing the world rather than a secretive communist country; or an opaque, disgrunted, former socialist government securing buffer land against a fellow democratic nation during the modern age.

[Zerzera]

But you deceived yourself into thinking that your military power does, or ever will, be of any real significance. I can speak out my mind, you can't use your force to ever make me change my mind. And you simply don't have the reason to ever do.
Do you really think we care if you go fight another war in Eastern Europe? Just because your people are always hungry for war, doesn't mean you actually have any real power in this world.
For the sake of your arrogance I wouldn't mind seeing you fighting Russia while trying to occupy Iraq, Afghanistan and being fronted by Iran there too.
Your army isn't worth shit anywhere in those countries, your only resort will be annihilating everyone that stands against you. And while you are at that, more and more countries will be.

Ive done a pretty good job of staying out of this thread, for it has turned from the topic it was created for, into a bunch of eggheaded political bullshit. If any of your opinions on politics were worth anything, they would have been thought of and carved into stone long before any of you mentioned it. All this bullshit going on in Georgia is not that complicated. Russia needs to back the hell off, or we (The US) are going to do to them, exactly what they are doing to Georgia, bullying and punishing a weaker country. I wish it was not true, but quite frankly, being the only military in the world capable of standing up to Russia, it seems inevitable if these peace talks continue to fail. I hope to god it does not resort to Bio/Chem/Nuclear weapons, because if it does, I'm probably gonna be called back into service. Anyways, quit the political jargon, nobody cares what kind of dental plan you have, or if Obama is the Anti-Christ.

[Galleleo]

i still wonder why all the europeans think its funny when i tell them their national security depends on the United States

did they think they were the ones who won the cold war the first time against the soviet union?

did they think they were the ones who won ww2?

do they honestly believe they can win any war vs a superpower without the US backing them up?

ignorance is bliss i guess

We didn't even start the cold war, we were just put in the middle of it.

And I still say that we would have won ww2 without the US too, it might have taken longer, but we would still have won. Hitlers army was getting weaker, there was more people in Germany disagreeing with Hitler, etc. etc.

I like how you underestimate Europe though, gj.

[Zerzera]

I partly agree with kthx, but the fact that he seriously responded to Farscape shows some delusion too.

[gran guerrero]

404 I'm ready to get on my knees for you.

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bring back the Federalist Party!

Ron Paul!

[404 Not Found]

Now if we had a strong conservative president, (Bush isn't) he would have long ago not only lifted the ban on the executive oil order which Bush has done, but also gone over Nancy's head and began drilling for oil in the name of National Defense which the executive branch has the power to do.

So by what your saying is that the Govt. would have to take over and nationalize the Oil industry in the U.S. with such a statement, just like Chavez did in Venezuela?

kthx, you must have your bedroom plastered with posters of Mitch McConnell in a speedo in your home with such comments. I know you like to get on the nerves of people on the forum, but come on.





I mention the idiot Republican Senator from KY Mitch McConnell specifically for his recent stance on the oil and offshore drilling in the past week blaming every problem in the world on the Democrats:

To drive down gas prices, we could be opening up the Outer Continental Shelf today. But the Democrat Leadership says, ‘No, we can’t.’

Why is it that an elected idiot such as McConnell as well as those in favor of such drilling can not understand something as simple as the problems with drilling off the continental shelf and other leased lands within our country; that the one thing that has been driving me crazy about this drilling debate…everyone seems to assume that if we drill for oil in the US, that we will get the oil. And hence, we won’t be dependent on foreign oil anymore. But we won’t get anything, Exxon-Mobil get it all and sell to whoever they want.

Large multi-national firms like Exxon-Mobil are not US property. They sell to the world and their allegiance is to corporate profits. So, when they drill, they drill for the whole world, not just us. Some might find that heart-warming, but it certainly has nothing to do with the US having more oil or lower prices.

So once again, McConnell adopts the fear mongering that he hopes will sway people’s minds such as you kthx and turn our fears into his strength for his own party, personal and political hack reasoning.





BTW...kthx, you were only 5 years old during Reagans presidency, so why do you write as if you had struggled and lived through his presidency & the Reagan recession? I was in college back then and please note that the Reagan tax cuts in the early 1980’s (supply-side economics) did not provide a boost in government revenues. Anyone who bothers to check US federal tax revenues during this time period will discover that revenues almost doubled during the 1980’s despite Reagan’s reduction of the highest marginal tax rate from 70% to 29%.

rev·e·nue[rev-uhn-yoo, -uh-noo]–noun

1.

the income of a government from taxation, excise duties, customs, or other sources, appropriated to the payment of the public expenses.

Seeing that you idolize Ronnie the crap actor, do you recall Reagan’s own embarrassing propensity to just make things up? Reagan was a lying sack of shit and that was before he spent the 2nd term of President picking out the coloring books for his presidential library, as we know today Nancy Reagan and her fortune telling palm reader friend who did astrology helped run this nation while Ronnie was having his brain turn to mush.

For example, heres one of his most famous assertions was, “Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do,” and he maintained, wrongly, that sulfur dioxide emitted from Mount St. Helens was greater than that emitted by cars over a 10-year period. (In one day, cars emit 40 times what Mount St. Helens released in a day even at its peak activity.)

So if McInsane gets elected you are going to be happy with the draft dodger Lieberman as a possible VP running mate? Bad enough that more than 50% of those in the GOP didn't even serve in the Military, with many like McConnell making up lies as to why he couldn't serve during Vietnam, just like Lieberman.

I personally do not like either candidate, nor do I like our Congress and Senate, as it seems voting in todays world is about the lesser of two evils vs. who is actually qualified. What makes McCain so qualified to lead & why? Sitting in a POW camp for most of the war to me is not something I would say makes one a leader. He was the son of an Admiral and never had to pay for anything his whole life, especially health insurance!

The Cold War? Is it Russia starting it up again or is it Bush and Company with his ridiculous strategic Missle Defense system of which he wants stationed in bordering Russian countries.

Plain and simple, all the candidates and current elected officials are dismal in choice and how they have not represented the peoples of the country they had been elected to in the 1st place to represent.

Frankly I would rather have Obama & Biden over a McCain & Lieberman or Lindsey Graham ticket. Speaking of economic policy..how do you sit back and agree with McCain when he is listening to economic advise from Phil Graham? Phil Graham is an ass...just look at how he worked in creating and lobbying for deregulation of energy companies such as Enron...that has Phil's name all over it along with the Senators that helped push that through, namely McCain.

Almost forgot to mention the no-bid contracts to the GOP sponsoring and supporting companies such as Parsons, Halliburton & Bechtel who have taken billions of tax dollars that are missing with zero oversight and made outstanding profits during wartime of which at one time was illegal...that is until we had Iraq...most of these profiteering companies are all big donators to the GOP and have lobbying relations directly to most of the GOP in our Congress and Senate.

If your going to hate the Democrats, hate the GOP as well, as the majority of these idiots do not even represent what the foundations of the party call for! Both parties are terrible...bring back the Federalist Party!

[Tone]

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