War?

[Exalt]

i still wonder why all the europeans think its funny when i tell them their national security depends on the United States

did they think they were the ones who won the cold war the first time against the soviet union?

did they think they were the ones who won ww2?

do they honestly believe they can win any war vs a superpower without the US backing them up?

ignorance is bliss i guess

[kthx]

No, you are trying to be misleading. Bush isn't a conservative republican, hes a republicrat. If you are trying to base conservatism on Bush, than you are completely wrong and misinformed. In Bush's defense, he had to take over from Bill Clinton, who only had a good economy during his administration due to the fact that he had Bush Sr and Reagan running the country before him, and in majority it was the things that Reagan did that truly boosted our economic success for so many years.

The reason things kept falling while we had a republican congress was due to the fact that the liberal congress and terrible presidency of traitor Jimmy Carter were still having to be removed. Obama is just the second term of Jimmy Carter.

[Cops]

It is the liberals who put is in a deficit... even though we have a republican president, we have a liberal congress. The president can't even spend 50 cents without asking the congress for the money.

You're trying to be misleading, it wasn't up until 2006 that the Democrats had control of congress. Bush had 6 years to write as many checks as he wanted, and it was all done under the eyes of a Republican congress.


so let's sum up who's to blame;

Republican President

Republican Congress

Republican Senate

[kthx]

lol exalt...
I just hope U.S.A wont go to adventure against Russia. Its possibly the worst thing I can imagine. U.S is far stronger in military power, but just imagine what will happen if Moscow decide that they are starting to lose and they cant allow it?
They wont only nuke U.S.A, they will take all half of the world with them. And they have a lot of biological weapons.

Btw, its kinda odd. The people in Russia are very related to the west, I don't understand how they can allow Putin go to war against Europe or the U.S.

They can't nuke the US, we have strategic missile capabilities that will shoot down their bombs. Biological warfare is possible, although it isn't as likely as a nuclear threat is. That is why Russia is so pissed that were trying to build our missile defense systems in Europe, we are diminishing the threat that Russia is
when they can't scare us with nuclear missiles.

[kthx]

It is the liberals who put is in a deficit... even though we have a republican president, we have a liberal congress. The president can't even spend 50 cents without asking the congress for the money.

And once again we have a democratically owned congress, conservatives haven't been a political party in America since Reagan was president and the country was great. Conservatism is mainly just a movement of political thought right now more than anything else.

The IRS data divide taxpayers into percentiles according to their adjusted gross incomes. Following is the share of aggregate income taxes paid by each group:

Income Group ---- Tax Share
Top 1 percent ---- 33.7 percent
Top 5 percent ---- 53.8 percent
Top 10 percent ---- 65.7 percent
Top 25 percent ---- 83.9 percent
Top 50 percent ---- 96.5 percent

Do you realize that the top 50 percent of America already pays 96.5 percent of taxes in the United States? What more do you want.. the top 50 percent to pay 100 percent lol?

And cops what you DO NOT understand is that you are right, if they tax people who make 250,000 dollars more well.. them making 190,000 dollars a year won't make that much of a difference to them. Because to make up for that 60,000 dollars, they will fire two people who make 30,000 dollars each. Which means more unemployment and a weaker dollar in our economy.

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[FarScape]

lol exalt...
I just hope U.S.A wont go to adventure against Russia. Its possibly the worst thing I can imagine. U.S is far stronger in military power, but just imagine what will happen if Moscow decide that they are starting to lose and they cant allow it?
They wont only nuke U.S.A, they will take all half of the world with them. And they have a lot of biological weapons.

Btw, its kinda odd. The people in Russia are very related to the west, I don't understand how they can allow Putin go to war against Europe or the U.S.

[Cops]

Liberals spending all this money is bad because it comes from the people who make the money

Once again it's not the Liberals who put you in a deficit, try to remember that.

If Obama is elected he wants to raise taxes largely on people who make more than 250,000 dollars a year, I don't make that much by any means but I do realize that the corporation that is hiring me right now makes that much. Corporations and Companies DO NOT pay taxes, they pass along the money they lose to the consumers of the product, and to the employees. Right now my company is raising prices on their products because of gas prices, which is making some people quit buying products from my company. Now if we had a strong conservative president, (Bush isn't) he would have long ago not only lifted the ban on the executive oil order which Bush has done, but also gone over Nancy's head and began drilling for oil in the name of National Defense which the executive branch has the power to do. You can't tax you way out of a recession or a bare market for that matter. You also just stated in the post before that our government is making bad decisions and in part ruining my country and my economy. So why would we elect a president who wanted to create a trillion dollars worth of more government spending.. its obvious that would ruin my country and economy more. That is why liberalism fails, because our government can't run the programs it already has, so why make more.

They failed because a Conservative took the money that was suppose to be pumped into these programs and spent it. It's not that these programs failed because they didn't work it's because your government fucked up and took a surplus of money your country had and recklessly spent it. The way America's going to get out of this recession is by stopping the squeeze on the lower class and make the upper class pay more in taxes (By no means is that the only or main way to get out of a recession). If you make $250,000 a year your standard of living isn't going to significantly change if you make $190,000. Why should the middle class and the poor pay high taxes when they're the ones who need the money the most?

You also need to create new jobs in new sectors, the Ford plant down the street from my house that makes SUVs has been on the brink of closing for a few years now, just like the plants in Michigan. These $30 an hour jobs that require little to no education do not exist. The real answer is how are 'we' going to replace these jobs when these people get laid off? Maybe if you looked past your own borders of 'that is Canada and that is America' you'd realize that these problems don't have a border, and last time I checked Michigan is a lot closer to Toronto than it is Houston.

[kthx]

Conservatism is about small government, they do believe in what you said, but also in getting rid of government red tape in the way of companies and corporations making more money, and hiring more people. Liberals spending all this money is bad because it comes from the people who make the money. If Obama is elected he wants to raise taxes largely on people who make more than 250,000 dollars a year, I don't make that much by any means but I do realize that the corporation that is hiring me right now makes that much. Corporations and Companies DO NOT pay taxes, they pass along the money they lose to the consumers of the product, and to the employees. Right now my company is raising prices on their products because of gas prices, which is making some people quit buying products from my company. Now if we had a strong conservative president, (Bush isn't) he would have long ago not only lifted the ban on the executive oil order which Bush has done, but also gone over Nancy's head and began drilling for oil in the name of National Defense which the executive branch has the power to do. You can't tax you way out of a recession or a bare market for that matter. You also just stated in the post before that our government is making bad decisions and in part ruining my country and my economy. So why would we elect a president who wanted to create a trillion dollars worth of more government spending.. its obvious that would ruin my country and economy more. That is why liberalism fails, because our government can't run the programs it already has, so why make more.

As far as the health care situation, other countries might spend less than America on health care but the quality of the health care is also lessened. That is why people who have money in other countries come to the United States for medical treatment when it is a very dangerous condition.

If I ever left my job or got fired I would find another job on the same level of the one I am currently at, which would definitely have a health care plan that I could join up with. If my health care wouldn't cover an expensive surgery that I needed to save my life then someone would still treat me, even if the doctor isn't as good as one that I could afford with my health care, but so be it, that is life. And I am not saying that people who can't afford health care are leeches, I am saying that too much money in America goes to lazy pieces of shit that could work, but choose not to and leech off of the tax dollars that I pay to my country. You seem to have the belief that if you don't have the money up front, that you will not be treated.. Hospitals will not let you die, the money part just depends on how nice of a hospital you can get into.

[Cops]

I am very informed actually. I personally have a great life, I don't need anyone giving me anything, or my government running my life to do well. I work hard and I have what I need to live comfortably in my country. If you knew anything about conservatism at all, you would understand that conservatism is all about reducing the amount of government red tape that regular Americans have to deal with in order to just let us do what needs to be done. So yes Universal/Socialized Health Care does fail, because in every country there are lazy pieces of shit that will leech onto my decent life and cause my taxes to be raised so that they don't have to work. The reason why America has MUCH better doctors is because under socialized health care no doctor has to try. If you are much better than the next doctor you don't make any extra money for doing anything special, or trying harder. That is why the best doctors are here, and I have health insurance that I pay for, which makes it possible for me to be able to go to the best doctors in the world. Especially here in Houston where I live where our medical center is one of the best. So basically before you attack my political ideals you should understand what they are before flinging around your ignorant falsehoods about it.

You are right about one thing however, America does need to see beyond the republican and democrat parties, because neither of them is the answer, as they are both so bi-partisan that it doesn't really matter a whole lot which one gets voted in as far as reducing and limiting the government. However most people vote republican because they realize that we need a stronger national defense, and we can't afford to make our country weaker militarily, especially right now. And that between McCain and Obama, I would trust McCain so much more to handle the problems with Russia and eventually China than an inexperienced empty suit. Neither candidate is even close to a true conservative btw.

First of all if you believe in small government then you're obviously looking at the wrong government, when is the last time 'America' ever had a small government? In fact there's nothing small about either party. In theory conservatism is about cutting taxes, and being fiscal with your money, so why then are you in a deficit? Why is it that a liberal who you'd like to think spends, spends, spends put your country in such a great economic position?

I myself get accused of being a liberal from douchebags like you, but I believe in fiscal conservatism as well as creating short term social programs instead of letting people permanently live off the government. I'm more in line with being an economic conservative than an economic liberal.

So yes Universal/Socialized Health Care does fail, because in every country there are lazy pieces of shit that will leech onto my decent life and cause my taxes to be raised so that they don't have to work. The reason why America has MUCH better doctors is because under socialized health care no doctor has to try. If you are much better than the next doctor you don't make any extra money for doing anything special, or trying harder. That is why the best doctors are here, and I have health insurance that I pay for, which makes it possible for me to be able to go to the best doctors in the world. Especially here in Houston where I live where our medical center is one of the best. So basically before you attack my political ideals you should understand what they are before flinging around your ignorant falsehoods about it.

As far as it not working, that's obviously not true, look around the world and see what other countries have adopted Universal Health Care.

Canadians spend half of what the average American does on their medical expenses. I probably spend a lot less money per year than you, and I also don't have to worry about getting a major operation and getting stuck with a massive bill. I feel comfortable knowing that if I were to lose my job and needed treatment I wouldn't be refused help, I am also proud knowing that as Canadians we think every person regardless of economic standing deserves the right to see a Doctor. This goes way beyond politics, it's about doing what's right, and that means not refusing people treatment.

Here's some other questions to consider.

1) What if you lose your job? Can you afford to still make payments?
2) What if they won't cover a surgery and your deductible is thousands and thousands of dollars?
3) What about the people that cannot afford health insurance? (I guess you don't give a shit about them, considering you think they're leaches)

If you think you're safe and that you won't get told no by your insurance company, get laid off, or still get told to come up with thousands and thousands of dollars then you're gambling your health away.

[kthx]

I am very informed actually. I personally have a great life, I don't need anyone giving me anything, or my government running my life to do well. I work hard and I have what I need to live comfortably in my country. If you knew anything about conservatism at all, you would understand that conservatism is all about reducing the amount of government red tape that regular Americans have to deal with in order to just let us do what needs to be done. So yes Universal/Socialized Health Care does fail, because in every country there are lazy pieces of shit that will leech onto my decent life and cause my taxes to be raised so that they don't have to work. The reason why America has MUCH better doctors is because under socialized health care no doctor has to try. If you are much better than the next doctor you don't make any extra money for doing anything special, or trying harder. That is why the best doctors are here, and I have health insurance that I pay for, which makes it possible for me to be able to go to the best doctors in the world. Especially here in Houston where I live where our medical center is one of the best. So basically before you attack my political ideals you should understand what they are before flinging around your ignorant falsehoods about it.

You are right about one thing however, America does need to see beyond the republican and democrat parties, because neither of them is the answer, as they are both so bi-partisan that it doesn't really matter a whole lot which one gets voted in as far as reducing and limiting the government. However most people vote republican because they realize that we need a stronger national defense, and we can't afford to make our country weaker militarily, especially right now. And that between McCain and Obama, I would trust McCain so much more to handle the problems with Russia and eventually China than an inexperienced empty suit. Neither candidate is even close to a true conservative btw.

[Cops]

I think you're more jaded than you know

Why would or should we trust to government to run anything, we have already seen them try to run businesses... and they have failed miserably while doing so. Look at Social Security, Look at the Post Office (-1billion dollar debt) look at Freddy Mac and Fanny Mae.. all failed government businesses. So yeah.. lets give them a trillion dollars to fail with.. maybe that will work.

The problem isn't that Universal Health Care doesn't work, it does, it's that you haven't seen good governance in what 10 years? Your economy looks like shit and your government can't handle the very basic tasks of providing for its people, the real issue is that your country is so divided you can't see past red and blue and pick someone who does right by your own fucking people.

These will go down as some of your shining moments here on the forum

liberals are anti-american

obama is the anti-christ

If you disagree with America you're a communist

global warming is secretly a socialist movement

I'm really tired of your hardcore conservative rhetoric bullshit, your slogans of 'stay the course' do nothing more than make me shake my head at you. You are by far one of the most uninformed people I have ever come into contact with.

[Galleleo]

rofl at exalt and wark.

[kthx]

figuratively speaking, yes.

[TagMor]

Do you also realize Russia is claiming control of the North Pole I believe and are planning to start drilling there soon?

Santa will fuk them up

and the Morlocks (Russia and China)

they are going to eat us?

[Da1andonly]

rofl