John McCain vs Barack Obama Mega-Politic-Thread of super fun awesomeness.

[Epinephrine]

The beauty of the American two-party system is that the Republicans will have a few bad years and likely come back strong again in the next 4-8 years. Since there's no other legitimate opposition, people have no choice but to go Republican.

[Izor]

lol? its a 2 party system because theres only 2 possible ways of viewing the world. either you use cold logic and facts to base your opinions off of making you a conservative, or you use your feelings and think of the minority of people and you are a liberal. Not to say theres no middle ground, but theres no middle ground that makes any damn sense to draw enough people

Think of it this way...if there was a moderate conservative party, a religious conservative party, a moderate liberal party, and a hippie party, theres no way of telling who would win...the hippies and religious conservatives would just take away votes from the more moderate people that share the same basic views as them

[Squeezer]

lol? its a 2 party system because theres only 2 possible ways of viewing the world. either you use cold logic and facts to base your opinions off of making you a conservative, or you use your feelings and think of the minority of people and you are a liberal. Not to say theres no middle ground, but theres no middle ground that makes any damn sense to draw enough people

Think of it this way...if there was a moderate conservative party, a religious conservative party, a moderate liberal party, and a hippie party, theres no way of telling who would win...the hippies and religious conservatives would just take away votes from the more moderate people that share the same basic views as them

so liberal===illogical?

[genocidal]

Izor's mind has no nuance. If my mind had no nuance, I would say that conservatives' minds have no nuance - based upon Izark. Unfortunately, I can't do that.

[Summa]

so liberal===illogical?

illogical = no logos = not rational

OMG no logos means no truth, beauty, or goodness!!!!!!!!!

UGLY LYING EVIL LIBERAL BASTARDS

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

Izor's mind has no nuance. If my mind had no nuance, I would say that conservatives' minds have no nuance - based upon Izark. Unfortunately, I can't do that.

Fact:
All conservatives rape babies. 100% of them.

[HeavenSent]

<<<-------- R.I.P. USA..... World welcomes new economic & governmental system.

“Mark my words; it will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator, president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here, if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.

I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate … and he’s gonna need help. And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you - not financially to help him - we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.”
-Joe Biden 10-19-08

Was Joe Biden trying hint about what's to come? Did he imply that Obama is being set up (the scapegoat?) to handle the imminent chaos? or go down in history as the first black president and the last president of America?

On March 13th 2008 there was a secret closed door meeting of The United States House Of Representatives in Washington. In the history of The United States this is only the fourth time a secret meeting was held by the house. Even though Representatives are sworn to secrecy by House Rules XVII, some of the members were so shocked, horrified, furious, and concerned about the future of America by what was revealed to them inside the secret meeting, that they have started to leak this secret information to independent news agencies around the world.

Here is what was revealed: The imminent collapse of the US Economy to occur sometime in late 2008 The imminent collapse of the US Government finances sometime in mid 2009 The possibility of Civil War inside the United States as a result of the collapse The advance round-ups of “insurgent US Citizens” likely to move against the government The detention of those rounded up at The REX 84 Camps constructed throughout the United States The possibility of public retaliation against members of Congress for the collapses The location of safe facilities for members of Congress and their families to reside during massive civil unrest The necessary and unavoidable merger of The US with Canada and Mexico establishing The North American Union The issuance of a new currency called the AMERO for all three nations as an economic solution.

Maybe he thinks that Obama's influence with the black community with quell much of the anarchy that soon takes place once the anarchy begins?

Maybe it won't be the Amero. Maybe the new currency will be a world currency? Bush was talking with France & China today about the possibilities.

China paper urges new world currency
China paper urges new currency order after "financial tsunami"

BEIJING (Reuters) - Threatened by a "financial tsunami," the world must consider building a financial order no longer dependent on the United States, a leading Chinese state newspaper said on Wednesday.

The eruption of the U.S. sub-prime crisis has exposed massive loopholes in the United States' financial oversight and supervision," writes the commentator, Shi Jianxun.

"The world urgently needs to create a diversified currency and financial system and fair and just financial order that is not dependent on the United States."

But Vice Premier Wang Qishan, on a visit to the United States, told U.S. trade officials in a meeting on Tuesday that China and the United States needed to maintain close economic ties with global markets going through such turbulence.

Whatever.... Bottom line is America and America's money is dead. We're just waiting for the official funeral announcements. Also with this will be the end of this circus of party politics that has kept so many of you entertained and divided for so long.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

Good lord, man. Can we stop with the FUD already?

On March 13th 2008 there was a secret closed door meeting of The United States House Of Representatives in Washington. In the history of The United States this is only the fourth time a secret meeting was held by the house. Even though Representatives are sworn to secrecy by House Rules XVII, some of the members were so shocked, horrified, furious, and concerned about the future of America by what was revealed to them inside the secret meeting, that they have started to leak this secret information to independent news agencies around the world. Here is what was revealed: The imminent collapse of the US Economy to occur sometime in late 2008 The imminent collapse of the US Government finances sometime in mid 2009 The possibility of Civil War inside the United States as a result of the collapse The advance round-ups of “insurgent US Citizens” likely to move against the government The detention of those rounded up at The REX 84 Camps constructed throughout the United States The possibility of public retaliation against members of Congress for the collapses The location of safe facilities for members of Congress and their families to reside during massive civil unrest The necessary and unavoidable merger of The US with Canada and Mexico establishing The North American Union The issuance of a new currency called the AMERO for all three nations as an economic solution.

Oooooor, they talked about FISA and domestic wiretapping. Still fairly scary, but it's not "OH SHIT USA MELTDOWN"-scary. Links here, here, here, etc.

Stop with all the silliness. Shit is bad enough without wingnuts whipping people up into a needless frenzy.

Was Joe Biden trying hint about what's to come? Did he imply that Obama is being set up (the scapegoat?) to handle the imminent chaos? or go down in history as the first black president and the last president of America?

Or, he's just stating that people are going to probably going to push boundaries with him (call it the "Izark'ation of Obama 2008"). It's pretty common sense, I'd say.

Maybe he thinks that Obama's influence with the black community with quell much of the anarchy that soon takes place once the anarchy begins?

The negroes are revolting! Quick! Someone hold down Liquid Blue!

Seriously, tone down the rhetoric.

[Liquid Blue]

gimme all dem white womenz

[HeavenSent]

Oooooor, they talked about FISA and domestic wiretapping. Still fairly scary, but it's not "OH SHIT USA MELTDOWN"-scary. Links here, here, here, etc.

Or, he's just stating that people are going to probably going to push boundaries with him (call it the "Izark'ation of Obama 2008"). It's pretty common sense, I'd say.

Seriously, tone down the rhetoric.

Translation: Baaaa

Nevertheless, thanks for the links....

KUCINICH: ...."When the House begins to meet in secret on matters that relate to security prior to legislative acts, it raises questions about the Constitution of the United States." .... "I have found from my own experience, that secret meetings end up being occasions for the communication of information of, at least at best, dubious value.".... "I am sharing with you my experience prior to this moment that secret meetings have been the occasion to communicate information that hasn't been particularly forthright or true." ... "I'm just communicating a concern here about the path we're going down.." .."I want to have my friends here know that we ought to be proceeding with the utmost caution in going in this direction. I am not going to be attending such a session. I believe that it violates the spirit of this House.."

And what about the idea of an economic collapse to happen late in 2008? Call me wrong. I don't care, but I would equate the issue of the recent bailout as a major sign of validity regarding the alleged prediction supposedly made in that secret session. Since the first prediction, in IMO is fulfilled, what's to stop the remaining events from happening? Aside from this mortgage bubble bursting, this war on 'terror' practically guarantees a financial collapse not only for the USA but for the whole world. Those nations creditors of America are going to want something for their investment... Enter 'Land for Debt', anarchy, chaos & martial law and goodbye America as we've known it.

Financial Collapse and Destructive War
America’s financial collapse threatens to uncork the totalitarian genie from its bottle. I believe it is too late to stop the worst from happening. The sequence has begun. The Kremlin knew that a financial crash was about to take place. They’ve been waiting on it. They are prepared to exploit it. And the Americans are completely oblivious. They (& egotistic ignoramus's like ConcreteSchlyrd) are utterly unprepared.

Seriously, get your head out of your ass and look around.

[Vykromond]

lol? its a 2 party system because theres only 2 possible ways of viewing the world.

bunch more really stupid stuff

fyi almost every country in the world has more than 2 parties

[Vykromond]

The beauty of the American two-party system is that the Republicans will have a few bad years and likely come back strong again in the next 4-8 years. Since there's no other legitimate opposition, people have no choice but to go Republican.

take a look at this stretch:

18 Grant, Ulysses S. Republican
19 Hayes, Rutherford Birchard Republican
20 Garfield, James Abram Republican
21 Arthur, Chester Alan Republican
22 Cleveland, Grover Democrat
23 Harrison, Benjamin Republican
24 Cleveland, Grover Democrat
25 McKinley, William Republican
26 Roosevelt, Theodore Republican
27 Taft, William Howard Republican
28 Wilson, Woodrow Democrat
29 Harding, Warren Gamaliel Republican
30 Coolidge, Calvin Republican
31 Hoover, Herbert Clark Republican

after lincoln and before FDR the democratic party was almost nonexistent in the presidency- only 16 out of a 60 year period

after that:

32 Roosevelt, Franklin Delano Democrat
33 Truman, Harry Democrat
34 Eisenhower, Dwight David Republican
35 Kennedy, John Fitzgerald Democrat
36 Johnson, Lyndon Baines Democrat

keep in mind that roosevelt was 12 years, truman 8, lbj+kennedy 8. that's 26 of the next 34 years that had a democrat in the presidency

this is just shorthand obviously since the president doesnt reflect everything that goes on- but it does move in cycles, you can and do have one dominant party for long stretches of time in u.s. politics.

[Liquid Blue]

egotistic ignoramus's

Conc you lucky bastard

I never get called shit like this

<_<

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

Seriously, get your head out of your ass and look around.

What do I have to do, man? Do I have to save this thread and come back in a year and be all like "WHAT WHAT"? Is that what it's gonna take?

PS - See you in a year.
PPS - WHAT WHAT
PPPS - Future Conc: What's crackin'? How you livin'?

[Liquid Blue]

what an egotisitcal ignoramus.