The best warbird styles

[WiseCherub]

What are you talking about?

Also... what you said about older players not sharing tricks... its not that we dont want to share, its just that you wont understand it. Me and Foreign can probably both write books about dueling and 99% of the people who read it would shrug it off because they dont understand. Theres just too much of a skill difference for something like that to work.

Thats what I'm talking about TopGod, you made the assumption I didn't understand what Foreign and Sirius are talking about. These arrogant assumptions can be fatal when you duel opponents. I know some people can be loose with their words, and you probably don't even know me. Yes, if you played like 5 years ago, from your perspective I'm a newbie and always will be. Yes, I agree I'am a newbie from your perspective, and there is nothing I can do about this. Unfortunately, I didn't know about this game back then. I thought such a game like this would be pay to play only. Also since 1995-2002 I never spend much time playing computer games, always study study in university.

Nice to know other people see it this way too.

Yeah, I find it quite fascinating others come to the same conclusions I did in unison, without even knowing each other. Now some of us speak in this little thread, and devulge the knowledge. Only the grateful will appreciate some of the theory/tactics presented on here. However, the ingrateful will shrug it off as just crap. I recognize it as invaluable knowledge, however the ingrateful will not.

The central issue here, is it foolishness, un-strategic to release such information on this thread? Why help out your enemies? Before I thought hording knowledge is prudent. But after experimenting with giving knowledge to others, they showed very little interest in it... they just didn't have the drive or ambition like myself and others. They simply don't care about improving, so all the theory/tactics/tweaks will do them no good, thus proven my point that sometimes its good to share knowledge, especially if it doesn't make you any money, but possibly new friends who have as much amibition as yourself.

Like you said before, "its just that you wont understand it.".
I know about "you" (ME), is wrong; but yes there is people who won't care when reading this, quite true. Also who these people are I or any of us can't judge them, for we have no idea what goes thru each other's minds.

lol.. Read Proverbs1:20 to 1:27.

[TopGod]

Thats what I'm talking about TopGod, you made the assumption I didn't understand what Foreign and Sirius are talking about. These arrogant assumptions can be fatal when you duel opponents.

I didn't mean specifically you as in YOU, but in all of my years of playing/dueling/training, no one has come close to understanding the game as I do (with a couple exceptions). I consider wbs and javs to be equivalent. The same theories (and sub-theories and sub-sub-theories) apply to both equally. The implementation is different, but the ideas are the same. My style is extremely unique on the inside. How many people do you know that "read" ahead the moves of their opponents AND themselves? I have no idea what I'm going to do next, I can only predict what I'm going to do next. Do you understand what I mean by that? Do you understand WHY I do that? No offense, but I doubt that you understand it because I dont completely understand it myself.

I *know* that I'm arrogant and cocky. However, in this game, you can't be anything else but that if you wish to get anywhere. If you can't say "I will beat you" before a duel starts, then dont bother. Arrogance leads to motivation which leads to trying which leads to victory. I know that I can beat anyone (cept blood cuz he wont duel me ) if I actually bothered to try. But the problem is that there is no competition anymore so theres no reason to care. That brings me to my next point...

The central issue here, is it foolishness, un-strategic to release such information on this thread? Why help out your enemies? Before I thought hording knowledge is prudent. But after experimenting with giving knowledge to others, they showed very little interest in it... they just didn't have the drive or ambition like myself and others. They simply don't care about improving, so all the theory/tactics/tweaks will do them no good, thus proven my point that sometimes its good to share knowledge, especially if it doesn't make you any money, but possibly new friends who have as much amibition as yourself.

I have tried teaching people to get better and I, at one point, started writing a guide on "how to be elite". However, I realized that very few people would be able to comprehend everything, so I didn't bother.

If you think that my arrogance is misplaced, feel free to look me up in TW sometime (?find top) and we can settle it the old fashioned way </ego>

Yeah, I know this post is full of ego and arrogance, but its fun being high and mighty sometimes

[Mattey]

You couldn't beat me TopGod, nobody can.

[TopGod]

You couldn't beat me TopGod, nobody can.

You are one of the prime examples of why I don't want to come back... newer players who arent even that good acting as if they're good =( When I dueled you, I didn't see any of the amazing skill that all of older elites had in you. Sure, you can aim and dodge and rush and get kills, but the game is SO much more than that.

[Blood]

wisecherub sucks

[Sirius]

Anyhow, I'm glad Foreign showed his face on this thread - Wisecherub

You can thank me for dragging his ass to the thread from his retirement home =P

sirius = lag

without lag he is kinda sucky! - Ragnarok.

How would you know how I play without lag if it doesn't happen often? You need to watch me play without lag sometime.

Besides, I'm glad I have a certain amount of lag, because it gives me the opportunity to utilize more skill/talent than is possible without lag. What am I talking about? That's coming up in lesson 3.

[Facetious]

Sure, you can aim and dodge and rush and get kills, but the game is SO much more than that.

Mattey's inability to call himself a vet and talk about the old days and say "lol" a lot is really going to hurt us in leagues. Seriously, what is there to dueling other than aiming, dodging, rushing, and getting kills?

[MetalKid]

As far as the radar/running "style" goes, most people won't use them for a couple of reasons. The biggest one is being called names. ?nopubchat and adding people to ignore.txt is by far the best fix for this. If you don't you will only get distracted and then will be rushed and killed when reading, which is bad. The next reason is that people get bored. It is very difficult for me to get bored in elim or any 5 on 5 match. It would take at least 5-10 minutes of missing each other before I get impatient, which is much higher than most people's threshold. The last reason is that a pure radar/running style is going to make you the last person alive in any 5 on 5 match, if you are doing it right. This results in the other team purely rushing you, which is this strategy's biggest weakness. Even I stay away from pure radar/running in 5 on 5 by sticking near teammates to try and get some easy kills (when they shoot at someone else as I am rushing towards them). Tho, there is no reason to change this in elim, for the most part.

In order to radar/run well, you have to be aware of whats going on. You look at your radar a hell of a lot, so you have to figure out a way to look at both the screen and the radar at the same time whenever you want to check the radar. Also, if you ever see a dot come on your radar, you must expect a shot to come from that region. This is why if there are ships on all sides of you, you need to retreat to somewhere else so you can place more concentration on a specific spot. As for shooting radar shots, you have to realize that the screen is rectangular... The radar is square. So you already have to make an ajustment for shooting.

Oh well, Im out. I'm sure no one will care what I say anyway since no "runner" can be considered elite.

[Claim]

The one thing in Warbird I notice that kills me the most is myself... It's usually not the skill or the luck of the other person.. It's usually me reading chat or getting pissed off because I misssed anez shot or had a bad rec... I think the best advice you can be given is not to get pissed or read while you are playing

[Claim]

no "runner" can be considered elite.

I agree 100% runners just fly backwards and throw up slow luck that is easily dodged... I don't see how any runner can get a good record unlees they have a lot of luck.

[Sirius]

Nah I guess Metalkid's patience is an aspect of talent as well and must nevertheless be forced into the equation of this game. Whatever floats whoever's boat in this game, or should I say, ship =P

[TopGod]

Mattey's inability to call himself a vet and talk about the old days and say "lol" a lot is really going to hurt us in leagues. Seriously, what is there to dueling other than aiming, dodging, rushing, and getting kills?

Not going to bother responding to that... read the fucking thread

[MetalKid]

Looks like I forgot the <sarcasim> </sarcasim>... There are ways to be good if you run... You just have to aim exceptionally well/know where they are headed a screen and a half away...

I agree 100% runners just fly backwards and throw up slow luck that is easily dodged... I don't see how any runner can get a good record unlees they have a lot of luck.

[Sirius]

Rofl, it just dawned on me that some people in this thread said rushing is one of the most common styles used.

What the fuck? I never see anybody rushing, I barely ever face being rushed, maybe once or twice a week by some non energy gauging idiot whom I dont even have to back up from and wait for them to get point blank and kill them while they mash the ctrl button, and overall I know about 10 people who know how to rush, and up to 5 people who rush consistently or use it as a primary style. Seriously, I think the zone is overestimated a bit to say that rushing is a commonly used strat, or people heavily misinterpret what a rush is.

[TopGod]

Rofl, it just dawned on me that some people in this thread said rushing is one of the most common styles used.

What the fuck? I never see anybody rushing, I barely ever face being rushed, maybe once or twice a week by some non energy gauging idiot whom I dont even have to back up from and wait for them to get point blank and kill them while they mash the ctrl button, and overall I know about 10 people who know how to rush, and up to 5 people who rush consistently or use it as a primary style. Seriously, I think the zone is overestimated a bit to say that rushing is a commonly used strat, or people heavily misinterpret what a rush is.

Rushing is amazing, but no one knows how to use it right