Restrict weasels

[za gophar]

ug, i have so said this before. roofing may have some degree of lameness, but at least people can defend themselves against it, because they can see people on the roof. there is literally no self reliant, reasonable way to defend against weasel attacks in warbird or spider. thats why i regard weasels as a broken part of the game.

[Troll King]

But it's still lame. Like I said, it's all relative. You're still thinking in terms of warbirds not being able to survive a weasel attack on his own, but in theory, it's also a broken part of the game if the warbird isn't relying on his team to keep an eye on cloakers. The line has to be drawn somewhere, and it doesn't matter that you don't like where it is.

[za gophar]

in my view, cloaking is infinitely more lame than anything else could possibly be because it involves prey who HAVE NO SELF RELIANT WAY OF DEFENDING THEMSELVES. if you roof it could be lame, hell, it could be extremely lame, but this is like comparing a hundred billion to infiniti. infiniti is inherently different from a number.. it is forever. there is no relation between the two because of the inherent difference, which,in our case, is the ability to defend against attack in an independant way.

teamwork is a choice.

[SpiderMage]

Gopher, just give it up. Face the fact that, yeah warbirds and spiders can't defend themselves against ONE ship. See that word? One. If it was every ship I might see your point, but it's just one ship, and I guarentee you that not everyone playing in pure pub is going to switch to weasel to take out a single warbird or spider. You fail to realize that weasels probably don't even make up 5-10% of the chosen ship type, so you are basically trying to fight a battle against the smallest and weakest group.

Let me repeat some words for you.

Suck. It. Up.

It's a game, "cheap" deaths happen, and if you are unwilling to adapt (ie switch ships) then that's on you. By saying warbirds and spiders have no self reliant way to defend themselves against weasels well let's see, no ship has a way to defend themselves against mines places in the entrance to flagroom except for sharks. Only the shark can actually defend itself from attack (reps, dodging is not defense). Only the spider can defend against teleporting terriers. Javs can't defend themselves against most other ships out in the open. Warbirds can pretty much destroy any ship they please to in the open or in base. Spiders have an advantage over all other ships by having rapid fire. Lancs have an advantage with rapid fire multi, terrs have bursts and speed, etc etc.

The game has checks and balances.

It goes like this:

Warbird's strength is the ability to take out most all of the other ships with ease. It's weakness is being able to be killed by a weasel.

Jav's strength is their bomb which can dominate inside base. Their weakness is they can't fight well in the open.

Spider's strength is its rapid fire. It's weakness is that the bullets are weak.

Terr's strength is their speed. Their weakness is they have to rely on their team to do any real damage.

Weasel's strength is to be able to take out ships without being detected. Their weakness is that they are the WEAKEST SHIP IN THE GAME.

Lanc's strength is their rapid multi fire. Their weakness is bullet strength and speed.

Shark's strength is it's mines and repels. It's weakness is it has little offense.

That's how it works. Weasels are there to counter act warbirds and the other fighter ships, but weasels are countered just as easily by terriers.

Once again, suck it up and just play.

[Blindmonkey21]

Do what I do use boost a lot. Weasels can't keep up with you if you boost a lot and will eventually give up. Basically stay on the move they are too slow of a ship to do anything but kill levis and camp.

[za gophar]

Gopher, just give it up. Face the fact that, yeah warbirds and spiders can't defend themselves against ONE ship. See that word? One. If it was every ship I might see your point, but it's just one ship, and I guarentee you that not everyone playing in pure pub is going to switch to weasel to take out a single warbird or spider. You fail to realize that weasels probably don't even make up 5-10% of the chosen ship type, so you are basically trying to fight a battle against the smallest and weakest group.

Let me repeat some words for you.

Suck. It. Up.

It's a game, "cheap" deaths happen, and if you are unwilling to adapt (ie switch ships) then that's on you. By saying warbirds and spiders have no self reliant way to defend themselves against weasels well let's see, no ship has a way to defend themselves against mines places in the entrance to flagroom except for sharks. Only the shark can actually defend itself from attack (reps, dodging is not defense). Only the spider can defend against teleporting terriers. Javs can't defend themselves against most other ships out in the open. Warbirds can pretty much destroy any ship they please to in the open or in base. Spiders have an advantage over all other ships by having rapid fire. Lancs have an advantage with rapid fire multi, terrs have bursts and speed, etc etc.

The game has checks and balances.

It goes like this:

Warbird's strength is the ability to take out most all of the other ships with ease. It's weakness is being able to be killed by a weasel.

Jav's strength is their bomb which can dominate inside base. Their weakness is they can't fight well in the open.

Spider's strength is its rapid fire. It's weakness is that the bullets are weak.

Terr's strength is their speed. Their weakness is they have to rely on their team to do any real damage.

Weasel's strength is to be able to take out ships without being detected. Their weakness is that they are the WEAKEST SHIP IN THE GAME.

Lanc's strength is their rapid multi fire. Their weakness is bullet strength and speed.

Shark's strength is it's mines and repels. It's weakness is it has little offense.

That's how it works. Weasels are there to counter act warbirds and the other fighter ships, but weasels are countered just as easily by terriers.

Once again, suck it up and just play.

you are dumb. obviously i understand each ships role and weaknesses. and you just told me that a weasel's threat to a warbird is miniscule, but then you listed it as the warbird's main weakness.

obvious point number two: i do suck it up and play. im not refusing to play because of weasels.

you seem to acknowldge that the fact that warbirds and spiders have no way to defend against weasels as a problem, but you say it is such a small problem that we shouldnt complain. my question is, why not? this game is easily changeable. all we have to do is get enough support for a change and the change will happen. it has happened a few times. small problems can be fixed just as large ones can.

complaining cant hurt. rather than telling me not to complain because it wont work, tell me why i am wrong in my belief that we could change the weasel to something not as lame that maybe still has an advantage on spiders and warbird.

[Kontrolz]

I agree with za gophar that the weasels should be change....again. I don't think restricting them is the answer, or getting rid of them all together. I think they should just be made big again. I think they should either not be able to regenerate when cloaked + stealthed again, or, even better, make them big again, I'm sick of them creeping into my FR <_<

[SpiderMage]

you are dumb. obviously i understand each ships role and weaknesses. and you just told me that a weasel's threat to a warbird is miniscule, but then you listed it as the warbird's main weakness.

obvious point number two: i do suck it up and play. im not refusing to play because of weasels.

you seem to acknowldge that the fact that warbirds and spiders have no way to defend against weasels as a problem, but you say it is such a small problem that we shouldnt complain. my question is, why not? this game is easily changeable. all we have to do is get enough support for a change and the change will happen. it has happened a few times. small problems can be fixed just as large ones can.

complaining cant hurt. rather than telling me not to complain because it wont work, tell me why i am wrong in my belief that we could change the weasel to something not as lame that maybe still has an advantage on spiders and warbird.

So then what if enough people complained that warbirds are overpowered. Would it be ok for them to be toned down or banned from pure pub?

And to change the weasel from not being "lame" but still having an advantage over warbirds and spiders, you'd basically have to recreate the ship from scratch, and totally destroy what it was meant to be played as. And if you were sucking it up, you wouldn't be complaining and wanted them banned. It isn't fair to ban or change one ship just because it has an advantage over the most widely used ship, that's just not fair to the people who play weasel, just like it wouldn't be fair to warbird players if they made them recharge slower, bullets used more energy or if they made them like lancasters.

There was a reason levis were banned from pure pub, far bigger and more important reasons than a weasel could ever have.

And Kontrolz, weasels don't regain energy when cloaked and stealthed. And their size is fine, they are meant to be able to sneak into the flagroom, and sneaking into the flagroom through the front door is kind of counter productive.

[za gophar]

So then what if enough people complained that warbirds are overpowered. Would it be ok for them to be toned down or banned from pure pub?

And to change the weasel from not being "lame" but still having an advantage over warbirds and spiders, you'd basically have to recreate the ship from scratch, and totally destroy what it was meant to be played as. And if you were sucking it up, you wouldn't be complaining and wanted them banned. It isn't fair to ban or change one ship just because it has an advantage over the most widely used ship, that's just not fair to the people who play weasel, just like it wouldn't be fair to warbird players if they made them recharge slower, bullets used more energy or if they made them like lancasters.

There was a reason levis were banned from pure pub, far bigger and more important reasons than a weasel could ever have.

And Kontrolz, weasels don't regain energy when cloaked and stealthed. And their size is fine, they are meant to be able to sneak into the flagroom, and sneaking into the flagroom through the front door is kind of counter productive.

as for your first point, that is a big fallacy because it isnt happening so it doesnt matter. yes, they probably would change warbird if enough people complained. there is no reason to complain though, so no one is complaining.

the weasel was made to be a kind of secret agent who could sneak around unnoticed. i think it might be cool if it were made faster, stayed small, but could not shoot at all with x radar and cloak on (so they would have to be taken off before firing). that way it could be more of a combat ship still with the secret agent part largely in place.

[SpiderMage]

as for your first point, that is a big fallacy because it isnt happening so it doesnt matter. yes, they probably would change warbird if enough people complained. there is no reason to complain though, so no one is complaining.

the weasel was made to be a kind of secret agent who could sneak around unnoticed. i think it might be cool if it were made faster, stayed small, but could not shoot at all with x radar and cloak on (so they would have to be taken off before firing). that way it could be more of a combat ship still with the secret agent part largely in place.

Maybe that would actually be a nice idea, not the x radar part though, unless you mean stealth. But it wouldn't lessen the hassle any, they would simply still come up right on top of you and fire. Weasels are the Predators/Covenant Elites of Continuum, well no... Predators could stay cloaked while firing...

[za gophar]

oh yeah i did mean stealth.. they might still be able to get kills from cloak.. i dunno maybe give them L2 bullets

[Kontrolz]

And Kontrolz, weasels don't regain energy when cloaked and stealthed. And their size is fine, they are meant to be able to sneak into the flagroom, and sneaking into the flagroom through the front door is kind of counter productive.

When's the last time you checked? Do you even know they have xradar now? Go check, they regain energy when stealthed AND cloaked at the same time, only time they don't is when they have xradar on, which is why I didn't include that. <_<

[SpiderMage]

When's the last time you checked? Do you even know they have xradar now? Go check, they regain energy when stealthed AND cloaked at the same time, only time they don't is when they have xradar on, which is why I didn't include that. <_<

Yes I know they have X Radar, they don't recharge much if they have stealth/cloak on but x radar is off.

[Kontrolz]

Fact remains....now they don't have to find a place to hide while they uncloak/unstealth making them near IMPOSSIBLE for a warbird or spider or any ship w/o xradar to kill or even know they are there (unless the weasel misses or wants the person to know they are there). I'm not for banning weasels from pure pub or limiting the number of them though, that's going too far, it can be a great basing ship in certain circumstances in the right hands. :grin:

[drugmonkey69]

don't stay still. move around. shoot randomly if necessary.

I agree with this kid