Pub Timed Matches

[Sarien]

Just try it. Variation is the spice of life, and now with qans new idea there is no need for levis to be changed for other pubs. The way I see it, most if not all conflicting pub shipsettings problems are solved.

A band-aid. A new band-aid. That isn't discrediting or disrespecting the ideas, but working so hard on a single or two public arenas, is pretty much a joke. If the settings and problems were fixed for all arenas there wouldn't be just one or two good pubs. They'd all be good. What a strange notion.

[Edify]

yawn about all the previous posts.

all i can say is i recently played and won a time race thing, and it was fun.
and i got bounty. $

[Shas'la T'au Kais]

I think timed base is a joke, all those newbs care more about spawning in javs than to take the base in spiders.


?go base is still heaps more fun.

Telcat, I'm not sure how much you've played, but when I pubbed for roughly 2 1/2 hours, the majority of ships in the flagroom were spiders.

Yes, SPIDERS.

[Mootland Farmer]

"The problem is that what will happen is that the timed pub will attract the players who already like to base in pub. They would enter the arena and have a decent time basing, and people might call that a success, but the flip side is that that also means that it's taking the few players who do pub base away from the regular pubs. Though the timed pub arena might do well, the other arenas will actually suffer. The same thing happened when the purepubs opened. They became the place to be for public basing and the other regular pubs suffered a drop. It'd be like opening a Walmart in a neighbourhood of mom-and-pop stores. Sure, the Walmart might do pretty well but those small time stores will take the hit." By Troll King

Well back when the Pure Pubs were opened, it took alot to convince the higher up staff that it could be done. Even now, I don't think were ever going to please 100% of people, ever 100% of higher staff. We don't have two options this time, we have to implement an idea for the whole of Publics.

Hence why I agree with ship changes rather than implementing another Public irregular to the main Publics we have.

[Theif of Time]

I hope that whats being done to PurePub will be done to other pubs.
Damn conflicting play styles.

[Pressure Drop]

pure pubs has advantage in that it generaly it groups ppl who want to base in pub together and that is good as the more skillful players play there leading to a better game. if these ppl were spread out over all the pubs then the quality would go down.

However it is also bad that when pure pub is full there is basicaly no basing going on in any of the other pubs now since the lev has destroyed any attempt at 2 medium freqs going for flag. In a way pure pub has added to this problem becuase i remember b4 it was created that in pubs there was more basing and sometimes when lev terrs got out of hand they formed a turret and got anti warp and hunted the LT till it changed arena (not solving the problem at all just inflicting another pub with it) so at least a bit of basing could happen till the next LT.

So i think that changes should be tried out in pure pub like a new weak lev (or a replacent for it) and if it works out apply them to all the pubs but keep the bot that doesn't allow private freqs in pure pub so that there is still a reason to go there and that it is the pub with the best quality game.

I think the staff need to be carefull that we aren't now creating 2 games with pure pub basicaly being a sub arena when it should be pretty much the same as pub.

[qan]

I've added point prizing, but I don't want to commit it yet because there's a weird problem...

Using the *points command will award a certain number of points, but with the side effect of converting all of a player's points to Team points. This means after *points is done, all record of points acquired by kills is erased and the new and old points are lumped in one big pile as Team points. This is only stored internally, so the only difference you'll see is that the Ave stat, which relies on points earned from kills, will be set to 0 every time you receive points from the bot.

So I guess the question is: anyone care about the Ave stat enough to justify not giving out points for flag time wins?

[JeBu]

Or you could remove all restrictions, timers, and new settings then people will REALLY be able to do whatever they want.

but now there is much more ppl in base and it's more fun

[Stabwound]

I've added point prizing, but I don't want to commit it yet because there's a weird problem...

Using the *points command will award a certain number of points, but with the side effect of converting all of a player's points to Team points. This means after *points is done, all record of points acquired by kills is erased and the new and old points are lumped in one big pile as Team points. This is only stored internally, so the only difference you'll see is that the Ave stat, which relies on points earned from kills, will be set to 0 every time you receive points from the bot.

So I guess the question is: anyone care about the Ave stat enough to justify not giving out points for flag time wins?

Ave means pretty much nothing in TW pubs. I don't think it matters at all...

[spacely 2.7]

pub timed matches are kewl

[Mr. Peanuts]

Ban evading is kewler.

[Troll King]

Ave means pretty much nothing in TW pubs. I don't think it matters at all...

On the contrary, Ave is the clearest sign of whether or not someone has had the flag more often than not. If you spawn in a new pub and want to see how many of your teammates are likely to help you base, the easiest way to find out is to see how everyone's Ave's stack up. Some of us out there actually do look at the stats and they do mean something to us.

pure pubs has advantage in that it generaly it groups ppl who want to base in pub together and that is good as the more skillful players play there leading to a better game. if these ppl were spread out over all the pubs then the quality would go down.

You're only looking at that from a narrow perspective. It does lead to a better game, but only in that one arena. All the other ones suffer. That's not an improvement in pub. It basically promotes basing for 30 people at a time and screws basing for the couple of hundred of people in the other pubs. If these people were spread over all the pubs, the total quality wouldn't go down, it just makes it less concentrated. If we really want to fix the quality of pubs and basing for the zone we have to look at the bigger picture, not just on how to make things better for a small portion of us.

[Kyace]

You're only looking at that from a narrow perspective. It does lead to a better game, but only in that one arena. All the other ones suffer. That's not an improvement in pub. It basically promotes basing for 30 people at a time and screws basing for the couple of hundred of people in the other pubs. If these people were spread over all the pubs, the total quality wouldn't go down, it just makes it less concentrated. If we really want to fix the quality of pubs and basing for the zone we have to look at the bigger picture, not just on how to make things better for a small portion of us.

So you would like every public to have some sort of pure pub bot (Maybe without the restrictions on levi)?

[Troll King]

What I want is for changes that have a positive affect on basing through all pubs instead of small changes that will benefit only a few. The ones benefiting the most from these specialty pubs are those who are already into basing. Pure pub doesn't actually promote people to base; that's a misconception. It actually just provides a place for those who already like to base to do it without worrying about levis and as a side effect, makes basing less likely in the other pub arenas by drawing them away from the pubs that need them the most.

[Kyace]

So would you say that levis are a problem for publics or just for basings or neither? Or rather, are levis the biggest problem that you see for publics?