Pub Timed Matches

[PH]

1) Point race for 15 minutes, followed by a 15-minute break. Two matches per hour, and the time balance between regulated matches and free-for-alls is kept intact.

2) More regulation is needed. Usually around half of the pub is in javelins and they're teamkilling up a storm. Force them into something that they can't screw up with.

a) Warp everyone out of FR and lock the teams 30 seconds before the match starts.

b) 3 minutes is fine for now, until point or time race is implemented. It's about all you can hold it for until the weasels invade anyway.

I like this idea, I just think the execution needs a bit of polishing. Big props to everyone behind this.

[qan]

Well, again, limiting the number of javs, warping everyone in or out of the FR, and locking the arena are all serious restrictions. I don't think we're ever going to be able to do that in pub, unless everyone unanimously agrees to do so.

Sounds like a direction for an alternate form of ?go base (which is very doable).

[genocidal]

I'm pretty sure the majority on the forums who would want a more ?go base style pub are actually a minority in the overall population of TW. The unrepresented majority doesn't get on the forums - probably doesn't even know they exst - and are not solely interested in becoming TWL basers. The diversity of pubs is what makes them attractive. Stop trying to specialize and just ?go base.

[Sarien]

I don't want a more ?go base style pub.

I think the idea of ship limits is terrible, because with the juvenile personalities in this game, you're only asking for headaches for the staff. Let me repeat that. You Are Only Asking For Headaches For The Staff. Imagine the sheer number of people bitching because there's already somebody in a jav. It's goofy, and won't work, period.

I want the lev fixed. I want it neutered. It's beyond screwed up and you people know it.
I want to see the weasel stop getting raped. That would be nice.

No earwarps, i know a nice big flagroom battle is such a great thing in 8vs8. But you're talking about warping 30 people into a flagroom. Be fun to watch how many of em would lag out though.

Pub basing shouldn't be ?go base. It should be pub basing.

[Mootland Farmer]

"I don't think we need to restrict more ships but we do need to start developing them and updating pubs like this. I think pure pubs were really a quick fix because staff didn't want to decide to remove the levi, which even now would cause a great drop in population. I can see a few options for timed publics, revert the weasel back to normal size, put the NW back or switch over to pure time race." By Kolar

PurePubs were not a quick fix idea. PurePubs were my idea, and 'I' wanted to remove the levithan from all Public arenas, or at least change their settings to be more suitable for basing. Leviterring feeds off basing, so what is the point of having them if we want to enocurage basing? And I don't see many Leviterrs dueling warbirds.... Leviterring is not a necessity for the zone.

"The mistake you're making, and it's a mistake that many others make in order to "improve" pub, is by trying to make it like TWLB which should not be the overall goal." By Troll King

This does say it all. Publics are there for their diversity, basing and dueling.
What if TWL-B gamestyle changes? Does that mean the Timerace Public has to change too? What do we do then? Keep the timerace Public and create the new Public with a different TWL-B gamestyle in it? We already apparently have enough Pure Pubs. I don't think Public needs to compensate for the fact that TWL-B squads are lacking support or players. If you want more people to play league style games, the "better and more mature" players of ?go base should let the newer players play in ?go base(2) etc.

[PH]

So basically either be a hardcore ?go base purist or a clueless pubber, because there's no happy medium in the foreseeable future. Until some regulations are instated in pubs, they're going to be useless. This "get in whatever ship you want and do whatever you want" mindset that TW's pubs are promoting might be fun for a while, but eventually, along with the lack of any consistent enforcement of basic rules, it makes the game stagnant and boring for new players because there's nothing to shoot for. No matter how hard one player tries, once they realize they're basically working for nothing because their team as a whole has a room-temperature IQ all that's left to do is give up and hit F11.

[Kolar]

I could care less about who wanted it or who got it done Moot. The fact is pure publics were made as a quick fix to the problems of the levis, we've ignored the chance to update the zone for far too long. I like the diversity that publics have to offer but staff should only (that's ONLY) be concerned with making basing better in the public system, nothing more, nothing less. The game has spawned different leagues and systems, just like pubs made basing. I can understand this may be seen as something that will unbalance TWD or TWL or just different comunities but if you stop and think about it, Where in this zone is an open, competitive and fun basing enviroment?


We're not making it more like TWLB but we are trying to make basing more appealing and fun. I'm all for the convergence of basing at different levels but if you ignore the fact that TWLB is a league and will continue to be updated to suit the needs and wants of a comunity to make things more competitive, then you're just being stupid. The core of basing is to get the flag and hold it, I can't see that changing ever so I don't get what the problem is there Moot. I think all changes should start from a souce, since ?go base went public it has been the place to test out new league settings, ideas anything.. I think we need drop that and start from publics then work down the line. This entire change, the way I see, it is the most unevasive attempt to make the zone better in 6 or 7 years of playing this zone that I can remember, I really can't understand why some people hate it.


Fat weasel without miltifire (or without thrust shooting) would be a nice addition, or the NW. In the end we will need to change the levi, the NW seems like a good replacement but I can't see it ever happening. The Flag Timer is pretty fun for publics, for ?go base and leagues it would cause timing issues.

[Sarien]

Weasel:
Full size "fat" version. Multifire, same bullet speed, turn and movement speed as now. Starts with stealth, can green cloak, both on at once doesn't drain energy. No need to drop Multifire, going from small to full size is a downgrade, not an upgrade.

Lev:
Speed of a Spider, Level 1 double barrelled bullets, no multifire on the bullets. Level 1 Bombs, no bounce. Bomb energy costs 1/3 of total energy to fire. No other abilities (port rep etc) and no bounty req to attach. Essentially the lev becomes the heavy bomber because it with full energy could fire enough bombs to equal a shark's starting repels.
Not gigantic game busting bombs, but it'd be able to fire a bomb even after thrusting and such and so forth. Sounds like a heavy bomber to me.

And the Only Reward I want for a Shark:
Team Greens. The Shark is such a team focused ship, just like the terrier, and needs reps to live. I'm not talking about ?go base or league arenas where for some reason people find it fun to count off three reps and then just die. In pubs with gigantic teams, you can burn reps rather fast, and while not necessarily dead in the water, you're at a severe disadvantage when they're gone.

[shayde]

Weasel:
Full size "fat" version. Multifire, same bullet speed, turn and movement speed as now. Starts with stealth, can green cloak, both on at once doesn't drain energy. No need to drop Multifire, going from small to full size is a downgrade, not an upgrade.

Lev:
Speed of a Spider, Level 1 double barrelled bullets, no multifire on the bullets. Level 1 Bombs, no bounce. Bomb energy costs 1/3 of total energy to fire. No other abilities (port rep etc) and no bounty req to attach. Essentially the lev becomes the heavy bomber because it with full energy could fire enough bombs to equal a shark's starting repels.
Not gigantic game busting bombs, but it'd be able to fire a bomb even after thrusting and such and so forth. Sounds like a heavy bomber to me.

And the Only Reward I want for a Shark:
Team Greens. The Shark is such a team focused ship, just like the terrier, and needs reps to live. I'm not talking about ?go base or league arenas where for some reason people find it fun to count off three reps and then just die. In pubs with gigantic teams, you can burn reps rather fast, and while not necessarily dead in the water, you're at a severe disadvantage when they're gone.

I second that

[Mootland Farmer]

The timerace bot has had no effect on basing. Its basically the same when just the Pure Pub bots were in place. Basing would be more fun if the Levithan would be fixed. I agree that the Weasel should have never been changed. If the levithan was fixed, then nothing else would need to be done. Somewhere there has to be a sacrifice, and if it means fixing the Levithan for all Public arenas, so be it.

[Troll King]

I've already said plenty on the merits of smaller arena sizes, but another suggestion I have is in the map design. Right now, the base is just a tiny fraction of the entire map. The majority of players don't ever go near the thing. My suggestion is to make a map with a large outer wall that encompasses the middle of the zone, including the "spawn zone". Think about how the mid base is relative to the flag room; now imagine the spawn zone relating to the conventional base in the exact same way. Not only do you start out "inside" the base (or, if you want to think in "castle" terms, imagine it as the outer courtyard), but the safe zones are outside these new outer walls, so levis would have to do a bit of extra work to get out of this courtyard to find safe haven. Roofers would also have a longer way to travel to get to the top. These walls would also offer an alternate levi target so levis can treat this new courtyard the same way they've treated the mid base. The most important benefit in my opinion, though it may seem subtle to others, is that this would put more emphasis on the base itself as a focal point of the map. It may just be a subtle, almost subliminal effect, but if you really want to promote basing in this zone, then you have to start promoting basing as a concept first before promoting it as the only "correct" way to play.

I know this may seem like a radical idea, and I'm not sure of what other effects, positive or negative it may have, but I think it's a better, easier change than anything that would try to turn pubs into being more like ?base.

[Sarien]

If the levithan was fixed, then nothing else would need to be done. Somewhere there has to be a sacrifice, and if it means fixing the Levithan for all Public arenas, so be it.

I agree. Current Lev and LT players will either have to adapt and not be annoying or leave. Either way the goal is achieved. They can either base and be part of the game, or they can leave and let all the people left base in peace. Besides, new players will stick around and play. There might be a momentary drop in population from LT's... but it'll build back up in no time.

[genocidal]

Why do LTs need to adapt or leave? The thing about TW pubs is its facilitation of diversity - and I am a personal huge fan of LTing. It doesn't ruin basing, you rarely see LTs successfully taking a base. All they do is kill people in base which is part of the game. That's why you need a good terr. It's just another way a freq can either take the flagroom (instead of just having the option of cramming) or force the other team take some of their javs out of FR and make them wb hunt the LTs. LTING IS THE BEST THING PUBS HAVE TO OFFER!

[Pressure]

now sister squads aren't needed, just ?go pub 5 or 1 or 0 and check out the newbs there

[Sarien]

The Question:

Why do LTs need to adapt or leave?

The Answer:

you rarely see LTs successfully taking a base. All they do is kill people in base

In other words, they don't base, they annoy and harrass people trying to base.