Pub Timed Matches

[Pressure Drop]

You're only looking at that from a narrow perspective. It does lead to a better game, but only in that one arena. All the other ones suffer. That's not an improvement in pub. It basically promotes basing for 30 people at a time and screws basing for the couple of hundred of people in the other pubs. If these people were spread over all the pubs, the total quality wouldn't go down, it just makes it less concentrated. If we really want to fix the quality of pubs and basing for the zone we have to look at the bigger picture, not just on how to make things better for a small portion of us.

not been checking this thread last few days d'oh

Anyways Kyace made some good points.

and ffs TK you quote one paragragh and slate it claiming i have a narrow perspective????

However it is also bad that when pure pub is full there is basicaly no basing going on in any of the other pubs now since the lev has destroyed any attempt at 2 medium freqs going for flag. In a way pure pub has added to this problem becuase i remember b4 it was created that in pubs there was more basing and sometimes when lev terrs got out of hand they formed a turret and got anti warp and hunted the LT till it changed arena (not solving the problem at all just inflicting another pub with it) so at least a bit of basing could happen till the next LT.

That was my next paragraph ... i don't see that as a narrow perspective.

[Krusnik]

What I want is for changes that have a positive affect on basing through all pubs instead of small changes that will benefit only a few. The ones benefiting the most from these specialty pubs are those who are already into basing. Pure pub doesn't actually promote people to base; that's a misconception. It actually just provides a place for those who already like to base to do it without worrying about levis and as a side effect, makes basing less likely in the other pub arenas by drawing them away from the pubs that need them the most.

It's the small changes that will progress into more bigger changes. And for those people who say PURE PUB FOR ALL or PUB TIMED MATCHES FOR ALL. If we did that then people will get bored of timed matches waaaaayyyy faster. What if we did, some people might not like it so we keep a few pubs with these settings.

[Theif of Time]

In about a year of playing flagging/ jackpotted zones, I didn't get bored of the jackpot (which I see as a parallel to timing) I got bored of the asshole priv freq elitism, but not the flagging.

[Pressure Drop]

In about a year of playing flagging/ jackpotted zones, I didn't get bored of the jackpot (which I see as a parallel to timing) I got bored of the asshole priv freq elitism, but not the flagging.

Yeah i hate that too, pretty pointless when one freq is completely stacked and owning the two natural freqs.


which is why even if the weasle and levi are fixed there should still be a pure pub without priv freqs.

[davie]

this new idea is good and is a step in the right direction, however i think there are a few improvements worth mentioning:

there should be a limit to how many fricking javs are allowed in fr cos i was having ago earlier and we had like 1 terr and 15 javs in base and it turned into a game of ?go teamkill whenever an enemy can within radar range of the fr.

Time races would also be better because there is almost no defence against the cloakers as we found out earlier when one got the flag 3 seconds before we were due to win!!

Should be clear what is meant by the !warp function when i found myself being the only one on my freq warped into base where i got masacred

Warp to ears, least this way there is half a chance of not getting your ass spawned

As peanuts mentioned on first post - put a tk limit on - if some tking bitch exceeds this amount then they get specced or change ship to a lanc or spider

Due to large numbers of players, slightly increase the size of the base because otherwise it just ends up with so many people in fr you can see what your doing. Imposing restrictions to how many can play at once isnt in my opinion the best idea because it ruins the fun for pub nubs that just go around icing people outside base.

[Sarien]

For christ's sake, do not listen to these people that want to put limits on ships. It's not a fucking solution. It's just a door to an even more asinine and stupid problem.


What is so hard:
Leave the weasel's stats but make it normal size and able to cloak without drain.
Give the lev level 1 bombs, no bounce, speed it up, and let it fire 2 of these bombs with full energy. Make the bullets level 1 bullets. Take away its portal and team greens, rocket, etc etc etc.
Give the teamgreens from the lev to the shark.

Try it for a couple weeks, and watch what happens.

[Krusnik]

For christ's sake, do not listen to these people that want to put limits on ships. It's not a fucking solution. It's just a door to an even more asinine and stupid problem.


What is so hard:
Leave the weasel's stats but make it normal size and able to cloak without drain.
Give the lev level 1 bombs, no bounce, speed it up, and let it fire 2 of these bombs with full energy. Make the bullets level 1 bullets. Take away its portal and team greens, rocket, etc etc etc.
Give the teamgreens from the lev to the shark.

Try it for a couple weeks, and watch what happens.

That might work, but then instead of using jav's people would use levi's. I do hate levi terr's killing the shit out of my team, but perhaps theres a better solution. I don't like restricting ships, but if we only apply those to selective pubs it'll make every1 happy. In my opinion I think we should have 6 different pubs with 4 different settings. This way weasels, and weasel hunters are happy, Levi terrs are happy, pure basers are happy, and every1 else is happy.

[Sarien]

Except for the people that care about pubs, and don't want to see changes in just one arena, but wants to see the entire pub system revamped, for everybody.

So basically it doesn't do much of anything to help, except in one or two arenas.

[Krusnik]

Except for the people that care about pubs, and don't want to see changes in just one arena, but wants to see the entire pub system revamped, for everybody.

So basically it doesn't do much of anything to help, except in one or two arenas.

What you don't realise is its not possible to keep every1 happy with a simple set of settings. If we do your idea only a few people will benefit and the others would have to suck it up, and will most likely quit the game. Which we don't want. There is no way to "revamp" the whole pub setting for "everybody". In my opinon that is...

[Troll King]

You do realize that you pretty much just gave two arguments thinking that they supported each other when in fact they are directly opposing.

[Pixelsong]

In the past few days I've seen pub 0 turn more and more competitive. The timed games have stimulated the winning-spirit, resulting in a far higher frequency and duration of flagroom-fights. My top experience was 92.14 minute match with non-stop basing action with more tension than any game I've witnessed in pub 0 before. Thanks to qan and many others for making this bot.

In my opinion public basing should not just mean the fight for the flag where all enemies come through the cram or attach to a terrier. It should include sneaky ships (you know which ones I mean) coming through small holes to take the flag. It does contribute to the diversity of the arena and prevents the game from becoming one-sided.

I've noticed a lot of complaining about the weasel and it's ability to suicide-touch the flag to prevent a win in this thread. Besides the common ways to stop them, (terr, counter-weasel, mines near flag) I think the people misssed the easiest one of all: x-radar is available to lancs. I've seen few people actually make use of this ship, which would explain why everyone is complaining. Weasels can, in my opinion, easily be countered, without losing grip on the cram.

What worries me more is the suicide-lag-rocket-javelin. While the common javelin with rocket is stoppable, the ones that have an insane lag are effectively invincible (I mean really really undestroyable) and ruin the entire timed game for others. I strongly insist on negatively prizing rocket for javelins in pure pub.

My personal favor goes out to four minute games instead of three. For me, the tension in these games was way higher (on both the winning and losing side)

[Krusnik]

You do realize that you pretty much just gave two arguments thinking that they supported each other when in fact they are directly opposing.

Which one should I quote first..... lol shy guy or nvm you have a good point. People (maybe myself included) complain about weasels, when the buggers can be easily killed with the ships that have x-radar. As for troll king u just confused the hell out of me..... And i don't know what that post means anymore lol.

[Sarien]

It means:

I don't like restricting ships, but if we only apply those to selective pubs it'll make every1 happy. In my opinion I think we should have 6 different pubs with 4 different settings. This way weasels, and weasel hunters are happy, Levi terrs are happy, pure basers are happy, and every1 else is happy.

That argument says one thing.

If we do your idea only a few people will benefit and the others would have to suck it up, and will most likely quit the game. Which we don't want. There is no way to "revamp" the whole pub setting for "everybody". In my opinon that is...

This argument says something directly opposed.

I want the whole publics to be worked on and thought of as a whole, instead of just one or two arenas. That means that work will benefit everybody, instead of just the people in one or two arenas.

[tahkis]

Sheesh, remove X's from time matches. And also limit javs.

[Theif of Time]

looks like a Bot change:
-X stealing flags seems to be fixed (theres about a 3 second window that you have to hold it for to successfully steal flag, interesting to see what happens when theres only 2 seconds left to go and flag stolen)
-You only get max bounty if You've fought for your team the whole game (I'd still prefer points, I don't care about ave)
-It looks like it ear warps you but I'm not sure, having only played 2 games and the first without !warp on.