Changes in pub #2

[Godzero]

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[Asmodeus]

So you cherry pick a post without a suggestion in it to make your point? Read the next one, or read my posts from before.

Honestly, you really demonstrate the idiocy of your argument. You're all about discrediting the person, not the idea. I also noticed you didn't reply to any of my posts in which I did make suggestions either. So, case in point really.

I normally wouldn't bother replying in an case like this but I am having to defend myself here. Cherry pick a post? Are you shitting me?!?! You need to work on your reading comprehension.

YOUR FIRST POST:

Has there been a change in staff leadership lately? Every change in the last month has been terrible.

1. They gave super-powerful bombs back to levs. Now any newb can fire a bomb towards the base and get kills.
2. Then they made the weasel fully cloakable. Now any newb can kill someone without x-radar.
3. Now they've changed the map so the sides of FR are way open. Now any newb can attack FR with some success.

Anyone else notice the pattern? They're just making it easy for newbs. I guess that's why they call it pub. Problem is, once you've played this game more than a few hours, you start getting fed up with dying in ways you can do nothing about!

Games are about improving skill, they're not about dying to a 10 minute old newb who figured out how to cloak or decided to spam an over-powered lev bomb in the general direction of the base. What you've done is say, no matter how good you are, anyone can kill you, no matter what the gulf in skill.

I'm sorry I don't like all your stupid jav events where people hide behind walls and it takes a whole minute before anyone gets a kill. I liked pub, but now I don't see any reason to play it.

How do you kill someone you can't see? How do you dodge a lev bomb hitting anywhere near you? Those deaths are completely unavoidable, so there's no way to beat it by becoming more skillful. The key feature in all successful games is being able to improve. If improvement means playing "who's the biggest pussy" in javduel or elim, then there's nothing for me here.

I'm just glad my old zone is picking up again. Rant OVER.

MY REPLY TO YOUR FIRST POST:

I believe the ship settings (for all but the Lancaster) are back to what they originally were (minus a tweak here and there). As for the map, the intent was to stay as true as possible to the original design (with the ears staying open) with the expansions being just what they are, expansions. As for your third bullet point, to play the devil's advocate here, one could argue that if the middle ears were closed off, then any "newb" could still have gone all the way up through the sides, protected from any enemy bullets and waltz right in. :P

YOUR SECOND POST:

It's like an Amish person being made President of the world and declaring that we need to go back to the Stone Age. Changes were made to the original settings to improve them; not for the hell of it. I've seen the same thing happen in other zones. A few people start saying "things were better 10 years ago, therefore we need to change the map and settings to how they were then", and suddenly it becomes the cool opinion to have. Then, while those pillocks are busy trying to out-retro each other, everyone else buggers off to play something less stupid.

MY REPLY TO YOUR SECOND POST:

Some changes have been made throughout TW's history and there's always someone upset (case in point) about the changes made. We don't make changes for the sake of change or "for the hell of it." The original Weasel and Leviathan settings were brought back with some slight tweaks here and there. "Changes were made to the original settings to improve them." Further tweaks may or may not come later on as previously noted. Aside from the Lancaster (which was changed sometime in 2007 if I'm not mistaken), the other ships have otherwise been unchanged. Up until several years ago, the base had been unchanged as well. I believe it was changed to accommodate everyone when the pubs were consolidated. The current map is different than the original in that it has phases, like the previous iterations, to accommodate a bigger crowd. Going back to the Stone Age? Hardly. :P

Rather than rant and complain about the recent changes, if you have some suggestions on how to improve upon the current settings or pub map, please let us know.

AND FINALLY, YOUR THIRD POST:

Didn't say you did...

Oh I have. You didn't listen then, you won't listen now. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the person in charge now plays levi most of the time and loves LTs. Why else would he bring those super-bombs back and give levis 4 reps? That's insane, but it sure as hell makes it easy to LT doesn't it? I've argued my point on levis and weasels before, but you have someone in charge of pub who is giving the illusion of listening while really just pushing his own agenda on everyone. Was a waste of time to offer my suggestions before, and a waste of time now I've realized who is pulling the strings.

Please tell me where in those FIRST two posts of yours you made a suggestion? Your reading comprehension is either very low or you're just trolling. My guess is that it's a combination of the two; more of the former than the latter. I'm not even gonna bother addressing any of your other asinine remarks. Either way, from this point on I'm going to stop bothering with you and stop reading anything you have to say (read: ignore you), before I fly off the handle any further and lose my composure - so don't bother replying.

[jim the chin]

Please tell me where in those FIRST two posts of yours you made a suggestion?

OK, for one, I suggested that having fully cloakable ships and bombs that can kill you by hitting any nearby wall is a bad idea because it creates too many situations in which there are unavoidable deaths. This makes learning to play the game irrelevant because if someone decides to cloak-kill you, or fire a lev bomb at a wall near you, no amount of playing TW can allow you to stop it. The suggestion is therefore to not have ships like this in TW. Not only did I make my suggestions, but I attempted to back them up with thought-out arguments.

You on the other hand have done nothing of the sort. Rather than discussing my points, you attacked me personally. You didn't address any of my arguments. All you could say is I'm upset, ranting, complaining, not making any suggestions... basically anything to dismiss what I've said without addressing it. You misrepresent my arguments, and then you call me a troll of all things.

Your reading comprehension is either very low or you're just trolling.

Personal attacks... just pathetic. Even though you've now "ignored me" (lol, that never gets old) I know you can't resist replying. No-one needs to "troll" people like you. You troll yourself, so by all means fly off your flimsy insecure handle and give me a good laugh.

[Spock!]

^^^^^^
Gosh, this is a discussison about pub, not a personal forum for petty arguments......

I suggest the PM feature...

[CloudHelmut]

Soooo, anyways....
I see there is some hate for the pub bux system in the staff circle. Would we go back to the built-in buying at safes from the good old days?

[Shaddowknight]

At some poing pubbux are very likely getting reset, probably not removed entirely. No there is no set day as of yet when it os planned on happening.

[Tiny]

Levs who cannot buy outside of a safe while everyone else can buy totally unfair superweapons and antiwarp anywhere can only survive on a LT for long, why would they BaseLev or SoloLev that way?
Suggestion: Restrict buy to safe only for LT, not Lev.

- Lev with 4 reps is strong on LT but those reps will be gone soon in base and are almost worthless in spawn (repeated fire on them/50%+ is lagrep anyways since spawners tend to show their skill by firing from 5px distance) which again promotes LTing outside instead of Solo-/BaseLev.
Suggestion: -2 reps +1 rocket so they can reach base faster and are less powerful on LT. (That is if buy for Lev stays restricted to safe while it does not for everyone else)

I 100% agree with this as you will note in my prior post I said exactly the same thing. Current levi setting promote LT's as opposed to basing. They are dead in the water after expelling their reps attemping to make it past living 10 seconds in spawn while someone sits inches away waiting for you to run out of reps. Allow levs to buy outside safe (with time rescrictions)....restrict LT's.

[Shaddowknight]

detach in safe, refill on reps while terr set up, reattach. Thats how it used to work before the !buy system, dont forget how spoiled that system has made people.

[angry.chair]

why not points as money, and u can buy outside of safe with them? resets itself every 2 weeks. utilize what's already here, for instance, make pub scoreboard mean something. since i started 11 years ago, pub scoreboard hasn't meant anything. points for money - point prizes for last score reset period; best ratio, most points, etc... something to create competition, most people who care about points do not spend them, they just want the shield. utilize map space.. map only takes up 1/4th of entire available area. try something drastic, instead of a minor "Block added above left LT hole on roof", make an entrance to base from roof. the major problem i see with the game is the lev. people like it, but it kills basing and no one knows how to make it balanced, give it more competition. small weasels or an exit to roof to scare it away.

it just seems like everyone agrees something is wrong with pub, even when it gets "fixed", there is still something wrong with the fix. and all of these minor changes don't really do much to change that perception. it seems like there is a lot of small thinking for complacency. minor changes wont fix the core of the problem. in my opinion, whole base should be revamped - but thats dangerous thinking with the crowd who plays this game. it seems like if u rotated map 180 degrees so base was on bottom, people would complain that they had to fly down, and it's not normal, and it doesn't look aesthetically pleasing - even though it would be exact same map just upside down. people are going to complain about anything and everything. ignore them and try something bold - all these old players aren't going to quit, they either dont even play pub or are too addicted to quit.

just my thoughts.

[Shaddowknight]

flying down is a disadvantage, your in-game chat would block enemies on your screen, giving people in base a better advantage

[CloudHelmut]

flying down is a disadvantage, your in-game chat would block enemies on your screen, giving people in base a better advantage

Agreed. Rotating the map sideways is the only answer. lol

[Tiny]

detach in safe, refill on reps while terr set up, reattach. Thats how it used to work before the !buy system, dont forget how spoiled that system has made people.

Your talking about something that is not relevant to what we are talking about. We are talking about base levis themselves not LT's. Yea of course you can have your terrier drop you off for reps and refill, but we are talking about getting in base. Since your on that subject, if you are only allowing levs to buy in safe, why only allow them to buy every 30 secs. You already made it to the safe, so why wait 30 secs between each purhase of repels. This is a dumb idea, and way off subject, but since you brought it up I will say thats a dumb idea too. So, anyways.....these new nerfs are making levis LT more as opposed to getting people to base with them. I personally think LT's are the reason people are complaining about levis in general, so if your going to nerf something, nerf LT's, not the lonely levi's that take 20 mins to get to base.

[Tiny]

flying down is a disadvantage, your in-game chat would block enemies on your screen, giving people in base a better advantage

Not attacking you shaddow, but imo, when i'm in a dog fight i prefer to be flying down as opposed to up.

[CloudHelmut]

Shaddowknight, you seem to be missing that the staff have said clealry a few time in this thread recently that "LTs have always been part of the game". I don't think they are that into discouraging them.

[Shaddowknight]

yeah, I am aware, everyone one staff has their own opinions as well. I personally want lts to just go away, but thats me, abd I dont expect everyone to agree. I would expect changes to be made for the better enjoyment for all, instead of allowing some to have fun at the expense of others not having fun. Trying to balance everything isnt exactly simple. Changing one thing can greatly affect other things you may not think about.
As for Tiny, thats all about personal preferance.