Spider limitations? What a backwards irrelevent rule

[Cig Smoke]

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1st off Pirates do base, and are trying to make TWLB. I have been on basing squads probably just as long as u have. I know what goes on in a base game, and i know what i think is fun and fair. These forums are all about Opinion, obviously Wadi's opinion is 4 spiders limit is good, my opinion is that it isnt. U can take what u want out of my posts, no one is forcing u to read them, and its only pallies members who complain about it. Mattey dont read them, therefor u dont have to either bc it wont make me sad bc u dont. Its simple, jav/wb are ships that can make a clear cut difference in a game, not everyone has a clear #1 base jav, therefor it gives them squad that do an overall advantage already, and of course the squads who have them are already the ones who are good in basing. They dont need another advantage. If they like jav so much, play it, but let us other squads play 5 spiders if we choose to. Put a ship change into base games, then u can try a jav and if it dont work do whatever else u want. Dont limit the spiders, the ship that makes basing what it is. Limit each shark to 2 reps, that way the cram can be broken. Make new wholes for a jav to shoot @ the cram, there currently is no wholes but the enterence to do so, those bombs get repeld usualy. There are so many things that can be done beside limiting the spider and actualy forcing someone to use a differnt ship.

[Mattey]

Originally posted by Nickname
I think it's a very valid point. 2 seasons ago the league was full of what i'll call solid javs (my memory is bad at the best of times, but i'll try to name some) Pj, nockm, koan, smack man, jedi, mr.mew, me, bobr, tg and others

last year there were 2 javs that you could play and it wouldn't cripple your team - pj and nockm.

I like looking at the bigger list where the competiion rather than 2 guys sitting on top.

Basers just got better, most of these guys got surpassed.

[Facetious]

It's amazing that even when I try to imitate your horrible writing, I still can't make it as bad as yours. I just think it's idiotic to make basing as dull as it is because some squads don't have a good base jav/bird. Basing in TW was supposed to involve teamwork among all the ships. Only using three ships seems pretty stupid to me, and I don't think it should be allowed.

edit: fuck you mattey the above post is in response to cig smoke

[bloodzombie]

I'm late to this party, and I don't have time to read everything here, but I'm with div. limiting spiders is retarded. If you have good people in the other ships, you'll win.

someone claimed that pallies can't win with a 3-1-1 line. that's just wrong. look at last season, we never played 5 spids until the last game of the season when we didn't have the attendance to support the specialty ships. and I think we only lost 1 or 2 games the whole time.

In fact, we played a different line up almost every single week, winning consistently up until the very end when peej moved into a frat house, and div holed up with an 8 ball and some hookers for a week and a half.

[Nickname]

I was the one that said pallies couldn't win with the 3-1-1 (against good teams) and i still don't think you can. I know how good you guys are, i played with you the first half of tw and know all the different lineups you used, but they were all against poor basing squads while the cram was being perfected by the better squads. Pallies can win 4-1 lineup, no doubt of that in my mind - but i feel pallies can't win with the 3 1 1 against a solid cramming team. (I don't think anybody can)

With servers new map however, that'll change that (assuming it gets used)

[Cig Smoke]

Ya his map is a good thing to break the cram, but limiting the spiders is still stupid. Also Face it mite be stupid to complain bc we dont have a valid jav or bird, but we got Nickname, he can jav. Its still the point that it gives a clear cut advantage to the team w/ a better jav. Like BZ said u guys played various lineups last season, and won with them, im sure other squads can to. If u use server's map then take the 4 spid limit away. U will still have the cram with 4 spiders regardless, and it will almost be as strong. Not all 5 spiders get 100+ kills neway usualy, so the 4 spider cram will be close to as strong. U still have both sharks timing there rep rite.

[Tigerex]

Originally posted by Nickname
but i feel pallies can't win with the 3 1 1 against a solid cramming team. (I don't think anybody can)

who gives a fuck, don't play 3-1-1 then. If they want to they can but they would be fucking stupid to try it.

[wadi]

Originally posted by Cig Smoke
Ya his map is a good thing to break the cram, but limiting the spiders is still stupid. Also Face it mite be stupid to complain bc we dont have a valid jav or bird, but we got Nickname, he can jav. Its still the point that it gives a clear cut advantage to the team w/ a better jav. Like BZ said u guys played various lineups last season, and won with them, im sure other squads can to. If u use server's map then take the 4 spid limit away. U will still have the cram with 4 spiders regardless, and it will almost be as strong. Not all 5 spiders get 100+ kills neway usualy, so the 4 spider cram will be close to as strong. U still have both sharks timing there rep rite.

Please stop using the "clear cut advantage" arugment, it's bs. Of course having more skilled players gives you an advantage, that's the whole point of leagues, better teams are going to win. But if a team needs to play something other than spider, then the better team will be the one with skill in MORE ships, not just having 5 of the same old same old. The fifth spider is NOT dead weight, try playing 7 v 8 against a competent squad and it will become painfully apparent that that extra spider is quite useful.

Take a look at PL's comments about the number of 5 spid teams that won their games last season. Yes winning against a 5 spider team with a 4 spider lineup is possible, but the smart team isn't going to take that chance, they'll play 5 spids and not fuck around with it (unless pride obfuscates the issue). I am far more interested in seeing a little more diversity than I am in seeing a "cure" for the cram. Although, I do believe there's some overlap in the two.

[Cig Smoke]

5 spiders are only boring bc of the cram, and it sucks getting owned by a laggy jav. Thats plain and simple, and many squads will put there laggiest guy in jav. And i agree the best team should win, but the best team should also be able to counter the 5 spider method, whether its via 5 spiders or 1 jav. It can be done, and if ur gonna limit the # of spider, then let me use a dam levi taht dont have to green.

[Tigerex]

i remember when every squad used the spider line, then everyone found a way to destroy it with well timed reps.

Now everyone spider crams, and someone will think of an easy way to destroy that soon.

Its better to let basing evolve naturally as it has already done rather than to stifle its growth with rules and regulations.

[wadi]

you're forgetting that when people were lining you'd get maybe 10-20 base games a week. Now we get 20+ base games a day. The evolution you refer to has slowed to a crawl or even a standstill recently, and there's really no cure on the horizon without change.

[Mattey]

4 spider rule sucks.

[froedrick]

Originally posted by wadi
Please stop using the "clear cut advantage" arugment, it's bs. Of course having more skilled players gives you an advantage

Here kind of sums up my point wadi. What if one squad has the 'better fifth spid' yet the other squad has the 'better (oh lets say) jav'. Limiting the teams so that you HAVE to play the jav is completely the same thing it's just... "not so boring" and it "breaks the cram easier".

[Pyros]

Originally posted by Mattey
4 spider rule sucks.

[Cig Smoke]

Froe thats what i was trying to say, just not good with words. And wadi, someone sometime will come up with a way to break the cram, obviously Spastic has something same with all squad who win alot. Its very rare that a squad holds base for 30 minutes strait.