Points Race

[Sufficient]

Hmmm .... the more I think about it the more I'm not sure the pt system should be implemented THIS coming season. Racing to a certain # of pts eliminates those "miracle" games where one team miraculously makes a comeback. Those are perhaps one of the most exciting types of games ... when you see a team down by 80k making a huge comeback in 10 min. Yeah, you could argue that they don't deserve to win bc they only played well for 1/3 of the game, but still.

I guess the only way would be to try it out and see if ppl like it. And play the pts race basing with an open mind.

[Nethila]

Originally posted by Stabwound

3) Gives the losing team the oppertunity to make a come-back and win at any point in the game.

Originally posted by Stabwound

If TWBD uses the planned 100k target, then it won't be any longer, because a full 8v8 game of 30 minutes almost always breaks a 200k total score between the two teams. Any higher than 100k would make the games too long, I agree.

umm.. i guess you didn't read whay i posted about the come-back stuff. . 100k is way too little for a regular BD or LB game.

i'm not a fan of this point-race system, however, if you really are going to use it, then i suggest 150k to be target point.

[Cig Smoke]

Thats another thing, ur not gonna have ppl get 200 kills in spider, or set records like they were in teh past. Every record ever set in the past should be whiped from the books if u change the system, as well as the names of past TWLB winners that are on teh map, they should be gone to.

[Malladrin]

Actually, 150k would make games take longer time to finish.

If you look at games played (with 8vs8 players, and not no-show matches) in TWLB last season there were 14 games with a winning score under 125k points. That's about 20% of the games. In the play-off the winning scores were much lower though, with 6 out of 12 games with a winning score between 100k-125k.

Conclusion:
When a team is winning a score of 125k is most often achieved. (I haven't checked how much they won with then, but I'd say at least 30k, in most cases)
When a game is even the winners seldom win with more than 125k as a winning score, but quite close to it. (I think 1 game in the play-off was quite even with a result of 127k vs 95k or so).


Recommendation:
Based on the statistics from last season (very quickly counted though) I'd recommend a point race to 125k or 130k to be implemented.

[Stabwound]

Originally posted by Nethila
umm.. i guess you didn't read whay i posted about the come-back stuff. . 100k is way too little for a regular BD or LB game.

i'm not a fan of this point-race system, however, if you really are going to use it, then i suggest 150k to be target point.

150k target would mean that games could potentially take 45-50 minutes to finish; that is way too long. I agree with Malladrin; 125k is a nice even number, and would only make the game at the most 5-10 minutes longer in the rarest cases.

Originally posted by Cig Smoke
Thats another thing, ur not gonna have ppl get 200 kills in spider, or set records like they were in teh past. Every record ever set in the past should be whiped from the books if u change the system, as well as the names of past TWLB winners that are on teh map, they should be gone to.

What records are you talking about? The TWBD records? Why would you erase the TWLB winners from the map? The game is still fundamentally the same. Maybe take off the shit like "most shark kills" or "terr kills", but there is no reason to take the winners off of the map...

[Cig Smoke]

bc ur replacing the league with a differnt format, ur limiting ship #'s, ur changing the method of which it is played. It should have a whole new name instead of "TWLB" It will be very different. Even if u keep the current squad winners on the map no one cares really, but yes u'd havta ermove all the individual records.

[bloodzombie]

The main thing that's better about the race is that you're never out of the game.. as it is now, if you're down 50k and there's 4 minutes left, even if you're in the base, there's basically no chance that you can win. Making it a race changes that.. if you can hold the base, you can win, no matter how far down you are.

Also, people who bitch about hiding really seem like pussies to me, but that doesn't change the fact that people bitch about it, so if the new system eliminted that too, that's a bonus.

and cig, you're just being insane about the records and stuff.. who gives a shit?

[Cig Smoke]

Im sure there are ppl who care :X

U still have insentive to fight bz bc tie for playoff seeding is done by +/- in point differencial, so u will automaticaly want to regain flag and kill what u can even if its just for 4 minutes.

[bloodzombie]

fighting for the flag when you don't need to can hurt your +/- more than help it.

[Adeon]

Originally posted by Cig Smoke
I need garenteed set times when games start and then i know 30 minutes and its over. I cant guess and say it'll last 15 minutes, then it lasts 45 minutes.

You've never played TWDD or TWJD before, Cig?

[Force of Nature]

Ok I don't understand what the fuss is all about.

I personally think that point race is a better modification. Now, instead of telling me "it is exciting" but I don't want to change the old bs. Can you give me reasons why the old timed games were better than point race because I can give you the other way around.

I just want to see what people think are the problems with point race? Dont give me reasons like. Its been there for a lonnnnng time thing. Because leagues haven't started and this is the time to be testing stuff out. Give me valid reasons so they can be address as objective as possible.

[Benno]

suggestions:

team cannot win unless they have flag and/or must win by a certain margin, like 10 percent more points

[Cig Smoke]

Adeon, TWD is any time any place, if im online during the week for a few hrs, sure i'll play a TWD. All other zones have there leagues on the weekend just like TWL is. TWL is scheduled and has set times to start/end. I dont want to be guesing about these types of things, especialy when i got two other zones to play.

[Adeon]

Dude, if you can be there and fit a TWL into your busy Sunday schedule, then I'm sure you can stay a few minutes longer if your game is close. Assume it will take the maximum time (maybe 45 minutes) and plan your schedule that way. If you're done early, find something else to do.. like play SS the same way you do the other 167 hours of the week.

[Cig Smoke]

Point is, squads can schedule games when its best for them in TWL, Im sure ELusive scheduled around there other leagues last season, just like alot of squads will this season. If i got a DSB league @ 3 PM, and they schedule bd for 2, with delays and then having a 45 minute game it could last longer then an hr, and there is delays almost EVERY week.