Thread not about the Thunder sub that cost Pirates the game. Don't worry.

[With Ease]

I'm going to give a basic rundown of the situation around the sub since no one has done it yet. It was 4v3 in our favor, and then I killed Mattey out while simultaneously Burnt died. It was then 3v2. I ran past chuckle, shot him, and was then subbed out of game/died. It was then 2v2 with a score of 48-46. B4 died while laughing at the sub, score 48-47. Chuckle then died out, 49-47. I'm pretty sure b4serman and vitja would have beaten vys with 3 lives to 1 anyway.

It is pretty comical to me that in the other thread you expected us to be a 'chill' group Knockers and said you lost respect for us because we were complaining about a loss. How about looking in the mirror? Every post in this thread is from a Pirates member bawling.

Also, I'm going to include a bit of trash talk with this. Scoop you told ardour that he should join a 'respectable' squad. I guess a squad that has his captain try to join us 1 week before TWL is pretty fucking respectable huh?

One more thing. Might, if you had won that game versus Pirates in LJ where you used the sub as well don't even sit here and tell me that you would have agreed to a rematch.

YET ANOTHER thing, for those of you saying you will try to duplicate phizey's sub TRY IT. You have no idea how lucky it was for it to happen in the first place.

[Mattey]

Simply put, the ship should never have exploded, it should have been in spec. what ever happened after that was because of bad coding and wasn't supposed to happen.

So, you're saying he exploded from... bad coding? Not the fact that he was hit by a bullet on his screen? Is that what you're saying?


I'm going to fuck you up in playoffs. I'm better than any of you ever were. Fucking Thunder bitches scared of a rightful rematch, we'll both make playoffs and your squad will be exposed as the one that doesn't deserve it.

Izor, you're a joke, nobody takes you seriously because you are going to choke as soon as playoffs come around.

Mirrorrim is the most ridiculous of all, too bad she won't get to play TWL, because she is worse at the spaceship flying than the administrating. And she's a terrible administrator.

All I can say is this has been ridiculous. Ease got hit with a bullet on his screen, it's how he died and it should have counted. Thunder is full of faggots and you will get your shit pushed in in playoffs. 3-league squad my ass, all of you are like Eelam... good in games that don't matter.

Good luck in the upcoming rounds faggots.

Edit: and regardless of what biased creature says I'm going to say:

I ran past chuckle, shot him, and was then subbed out of game/died.

You died and THEN got subbed out. You know the bullet hit on your screen and should have counted. You are rightfully scared though, I would be too.

[Mattey]

Double-post. You can tell that this matter was handled disengenuously by the quickness of staff's response. The outcome of the appeal was determined before it was filed.

[Creature]

So, you're saying he exploded from... bad coding? Not the fact that he was hit by a bullet on his screen? Is that what you're saying?

It's not difficult to read a very through explanation that I have already provided you. Needless to say, I'm going to explain it to you one more time seeing as you cannot seem to grasp what is a very simple programming concept. I'm saying he shouldn't have even been in the fucking game. He should have been sitting in spec and the bullet shouldn't have been able to hit a player that should have been in spec.

It's the same concept of as an eat. You have already stopped moving (phizey has sent the !sub command and you have been subbed out in REAL TIME), but on your screen the !sub command has not taken place yet because of LAG so you get hit by a bullet (whereas in REAL TIME you aren't even in the game).

Since hypothetically lag shouldn't exist, the correct action is to look at what is happening in REAL TIME:

Ease has been subbed out
Ease shouldn't have even been there when the bullet was shot

Whereas this is what is happening on the lagged screen of Ease:

Ease gets hit by bullet
Ease gets subbed out
Ease is out. 12 wins 10 losses.

Therefore, regardless of the fact of what is happening on Ease's screen, in real time he was subbed out and most people didn't even see Ease die to the bullet (ie. both mods watching the game). Bad coding is the cause that "Ease is out. 12 wins 10 losses" was printed, because the lag on Ease's client side sent a packet containing a death that actually didn't happen.

Regardless, this is just a game and I wish you guys good luck. This will be settled in playoffs the way it should be. See you there, and good luck!

NO CREATURE NO VICTORY

EDIT: Someone make sure we get to play Pirates in the semifinal of playoffs so they can't lose to a different seed then cry that we lamed them outta their seed in playoffs. I want to win fair and square with no controversy in a higher stake matchup.

[Mattey]

There is no REAL TIME on the internet, every single one of us is lagging. If Ease was hit on his screen (which he undoubtebly was). The death should count. Does anyone disagree with what I'm saying (that isn't on Thunder)?

There is no "he should have already been subbed out" bullshit. He got hit on his screen for a reason... THE SHOT HIT.

Edit: and I agree with the seeding caveat that creature added. If everyone agrees to this can it happen? We better play Thunder in the first round otherwise we won't have a chance to beat them, because they will lose to whoever they play since they are grossly overrated.

[Turban]

There is no REAL TIME on the internet, every single one of us is lagging. If Ease was hit on his screen (which he undoubtebly was). The death should count. Does anyone disagree with what I'm saying (that isn't on Thunder)?

There is no "he should have already been subbed out" bullshit. He got hit on his screen for a reason... THE SHOT HIT.

Edit: and I agree with the seeding caveat that creature added. If everyone agrees to this can it happen? We better play Thunder in the first round otherwise we won't have a chance to beat them, because they will lose to whoever they play since they are grossly overrated.

Everyone lags. That's a fact. Even the bots lag. Even those who live next to the server have lag. Even Australians lag (mr. Sherlock Holmes here!) -- even I lag by "eating bombs" when they miss me (pixel dodging) or "I die when a bomb misses me" when the bomb actually hits me.. barely.. stupid prox hax!

He got hit on his screen. He died. A replay would be more than fair. What does Thunder has to lose? Nothing, that's what.

[Chuckle]

I'm going to give a basic rundown of the situation around the sub since no one has done it yet. It was 4v3 in our favor, and then I killed Mattey out while simultaneously Burnt died. It was then 3v2. I ran past chuckle, shot him, and was then subbed out of game/died. It was then 2v2 with a score of 48-46. B4 died while laughing at the sub, score 48-47. Chuckle then died out, 49-47. I'm pretty sure b4serman and vitja would have beaten vys with 3 lives to 1 anyway.

Ease, i did give a basic rundown of the situation already. It probabaly got lost in the 10 pages of this.

But you are a little mistaken in your facts. Yah it was 4v3 in your favor. Mattey and burnt died around the same time?...I think so. BUT it was NEVER a 2v2 becuz ardour was in the game. That is what this whole dispute is over. Ardour played a hand in killing me. He also was the one to box vys in 3v1 AND kill him. That whole part about b4serman/vitja beating vys with 3 lives...if you can make that claim I might as well make a ridiculously unfair statement and say I know vys and I would have won in a fair 2v2 if ardour was out.

[Mattey]

EDIT: Chuck summed this up better than I did.

[With Ease]

I was giving a summary of the events without taking into consideration ardour being subbed in for a reason. Was just pointing out that even if ardour wasn't subbed in we would still be up 48-46, so my facts aren't off at all. You could argue what we did (that even though ardour didn't kill you and was 0-0 AT THE TIME he had a hand in your death) however it doesn't change the fact that we were up 48-46 and most likely would have won regardless. I personally know that b4 died BECAUSE of the sub. I'm not trying to say your squad isn't good or anything, I'm just saying I have a lot of faith in b4ser and vitja to win in a 2v2 scenario.

[Mattey]

If you had so much faith in them why did you get subbed like a bitch?

[Chuckle]

It is pretty comical to me that in the other thread you expected us to be a 'chill' group Knockers and said you lost respect for us because we were complaining about a loss. How about looking in the mirror? Every post in this thread is from a Pirates member bawling.

Look who started this thread...and stabwound made the other thread talking about this in our favor...

One more thing. Might, if you had won that game versus Pirates in LJ where you used the sub as well don't even sit here and tell me that you would have agreed to a rematch.

How can you assume this? I can just as easily say if this happened to me I would expect a rematch. Again, it's not about what the winner wants--it's about what's fair.

YET ANOTHER thing, for those of you saying you will try to duplicate phizey's sub TRY IT. You have no idea how lucky it was for it to happen in the first place.

You realize alot of squads are already going to try now becuase of this terrible precedent? We may not neccessarily pull off that lucky timing (and yeah thats exactly what it was pure luck that guys won[yah ill include my own trash talk now]) but things like subbing a 9 out when he's trapped in corner? Done. !switch-ing sharks to reset mines? You'll see it all the time now. !shipchange-ing spiders, terrs, sharks to bypass spawn time? throw that in the mix...ease there are so many ways around the bots commands that NO ONE ever before try to use and it's going to explode open like pandora's box...

[Noah]

I'm going to sit right here and say just that Ease. If you, or anyone, have a problem with my credibility then you are allowed to think whatever you want. Those of you that know me knows that I'm not just making this up.

I can't force you to believe me, but I honestly think that you do.

[Chuckle]

I was giving a summary of the events without taking into consideration ardour being subbed in for a reason. Was just pointing out that even if ardour wasn't subbed in we would still be up 48-46, so my facts aren't off at all. You could argue what we did (that even though ardour didn't kill you and was 0-0 AT THE TIME he had a hand in your death) however it doesn't change the fact that we were up 48-46 and most likely would have won regardless. I personally know that b4 died BECAUSE of the sub. I'm not trying to say your squad isn't good or anything, I'm just saying I have a lot of faith in b4ser and vitja to win in a 2v2 scenario.

Your faith and word doesn't mean shit to us. And I'm not saying vitja and b4ser suck. You are just throwing theories out over and over again. And your facts are still off about the 48-46. In ur made up scenario, it HAD to be 48-47 (i mean the game ended 50-47 with neither vys nor me never getting a kill in the 2v3, so obviously). And I can personally say i died because of the sub...TWICE. I died once in suiciding you (i hope you can at least remember ur bullet that counted on me and mine that didnt count on you). and when i saw the sub i got pissed and suicided again and died out. Stupid? Yes. Meaningless? Definetly. But so has everything you said along with MIrrorrim been.

But if you are that faithfulin b4ser/vitja, I think i speak for my squad when i say we can start the replay from there
Vys on 9
Chuckle on 9
B4ser on 9
Vitja on 8

Let's go

[With Ease]

ease there are so many ways around the bots commands that NO ONE ever before try to use and it's going to explode open like pandora's box...

People do it all the time. When a shark keeps lagging out and lags out when the terr is backed up into a corner do you think any competent a-cap is just going to sit there and let the terr die? Also switching sharks was a common practice in twbd games for TWLB qualification. You can now just !change them to a different ship and change them back. There are only so many changes allowed however so it puts a limit on what people can do. Also I just wanted to add that I respect your replies chuckle because they are not filled with 'omfg i was way better than any of you in my prime get good newbs!!!!!!!!!' such as mattey's.

EDIT: Chuckle I'm pretty sure it was 48-46 when Ardour was subbed in. Ardour has stated that he saw b4ser at -3 when he was ready to sub in, and b4ser ended the game 5-9. Almost positive that he died after ardour was subbed in.

[Mattey]

'omfg i was way better than any of you in my prime get good newbs!!!!!!!!!' such as mattey's.

I'm not talking about anyone's prime, I'm going to tax thunder's ass next TWLD.

Bank on it.