Thread not about the Thunder sub that cost Pirates the game. Don't worry.

[Izor]

By everyone's crying here, you must all think that a flag jupe in LB should be just cause for a replay, because it gives the other team an advantage. It's an unfair bug, yes, but its a part of the game that most people know about.

[Scoop]

By everyone's crying here, you must all think that a flag jupe in LB should be just cause for a replay, because it gives the other team an advantage. It's an unfair bug, yes, but its a part of the game that most people know about.

It actually is if it has a big effect on the game, newbieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[MirrorriM]

In my rush to get to work I wanted to comment on the thread but also elaborate when I got to work. Then it was going to be reopened but it looks like I didnt get to elaborate quick enough so I'll say it here. (I think I've been pretty good about letting discussions continue, how long were those threads bashing me for various things in the past? You guys are so quick to hate!)

I see everyone's point and I do agree it's lame. Something will be looked into to solve the issue, but right now there is no rule against it. Everyone can say we should just do what the bot says, but then no one can report a player for lagging if the bot hasnt specced them. We have a rule about a flag jupe, so I can see a rule being created for a "sub jupe." But one does not exist right now.

A lot of you are mentioning how much Thunder abuses rules, appeals everything to get a win, etc. and how they deserve to lose the appeal or else I'm agreeing with what they do. Unfortunately, that would be a very biased decision-making process. Thunder is good at finding holes. I tried correcting holes from last season in this season's rules, but something will always be missing. People have pointed out the "10 deaths max rule" and the "allowed to make a sub at anytime" rule. These rules conflict in this situation. I still feel the latter better fits the circumstance based on the information, but I agree that it is a lame thing to do.

As an aside, these arguments about how TWL Ops love Thunder are amusing. What about the appeal Thunder lost? Guess we were having a bad relationship day. I'd also like to point out that Thunder, Dice, Rape, Pirates, Sweet, and I'm sure others that I can't remember right now, have all accused me of hating them or acting biased against them. They also all happened to be on the wrong end of a decision. So if I'm biased then I'm equally biased against everyone ^-^

You guys can justify the decision any way you want, I'm not stopping you, just thought I'd share that a lot of the squads think I hate them, or that I'm biased towards "important" squads, or w.e million accusations I get, so you're not alone Of course when they get their way that bias/hate magically disappears... until the next decision is unfavorable for them. So if you wanna disagree with me go ahead, but this "bias/hate" thing is silly.

[kthx]

Just because there isn't a rule made for it doesn't mean you can't make a rule for it, even making a rule that stands for the rest of the season would be better then just giving free reign for people to abuse this bug in TWL.

Hell, two more deaths in TWLD, going to try to abuse this every week till the end of the season, lets all do it and make a mockery of the league.

[MirrorriM]

Just because there isn't a rule made for it doesn't mean you can't make a rule for it, even making a rule that stands for the rest of the season would be better then just giving free reign for people to abuse this bug in TWL.

Hell, two more deaths in TWLD, going to try to abuse this every week till the end of the season, lets all do it and make a mockery of the league.

I agree. Which is why I said I am looking into a way to resolve this issue for the rest of the season-But I'm not going to apply the new rule for this situation ex post facto.

[Dwopple]

oh okay, so 11 deaths = 10 deaths?

thanks for clearing that up.

[Burnt]

Hell, two more deaths in TWLD, going to try to abuse this every week till the end of the season, lets all do it and make a mockery of the league.

Squads can go ahead and try but it only worked to our advantage this time because of a huge amount of luck. Since there is a delay you're almost just as likely to remove a bullet your squad mate has fired and prevent your team from getting a kill as you are saving a death. Most of the time it won't have any effect.

[Hercules]

Dont fix it now if you are not going to allow our game to be replayed. I am already practicing how to do it for playoffs. Big papa scoop get rdy, we getting 52 deaths !

[Turban]

Hell, two more deaths in TWLD, going to try to abuse this every week till the end of the season, lets all do it and make a mockery of the league.

*gypsy mode*

I can see .. an increased amount of substitutes after the person has died! :fear:


I wouldn't be suprized if this would happen in the TWLJ / TWLD Finals. Nothing would get done either ~

There is no point trying to 'solve the issue and write a new rule' during the season unless you are going to make the game a replay (Thunder vs. Pirates) -- keep it the way it is and let us 'abuse' it. It's legal after all, both in TWL and TWD.

I bet we can even use Ship Changes to make our sharks / spiders spawn faster if they die! That could be fun.

:wub:

[kthx]

I can't wait to abuse this legal bug in TWLD from now on, yes!

[Mattey]

Alright, here's the deal. I've had this same exact thing happen multiple times in go javs. Where you hit f11 just as the bomb hits you, you die and go to spec immediately without the 5 second timer. But... YOU DIE THEN go to spec immediately afterward. Now, I'm not sure if you read that correctly so uhh one more time. YOU DIE THEN you go to spec. The key to understanding this sentence is to read it slowly and concentrate on the capital letters. YOU DIE.

It's not even a bug in the twlbot, it's a part of the game. there is a quarter-second window where you can hit f11 after getting hit by a bomb/bullet and it won't make you wait the 5 seconds to spec.

I can't believe you overturned what the bot registered, because you didn't see it hit him. That is completely retarded, and you should step down as TWLop. I don't and can't even understand your thought process when going about this.

Somebody who has NO IDEA how to jav or bird should not be making ANY decisions in either league. I nominate myself to take over TWL operations, because I have one major leg up on the competition- I'm not retarded.

[Scoop]

Dont fix it now if you are not going to allow our game to be replayed. I am already practicing how to do it for playoffs. Big papa scoop get rdy, we getting 52 deaths !

For shoooo

[Chuckle]

riot

mirrorrim you should probabaly consider a lot of these other things before next week's twl games are played because i have a feeling things are going to spiral out of control...

is it ethical when

1. game is 49-48 and they sub when they get trapped in the corner...and then sub again if they need to

2. game is 49-47 and a player specs when there is less than 1 minute to play because if he is in spec he cant be killed twice

3. we keep doing !change turban:3 and !switch dwopple:mattey when we see fit to bypass spawn time. also we !change zizu:5 whenever there is a double TeK to bypass spawn time

i dont know the answer to these. i dont even know the answer to what happened last weekend either. all i know is if we pulled off that sub last weekend and won like that i would have laughed...and been shocked there wasnt a replay. just because it isnt explicitly stated in rules doesnt mean it's free game to use the rules against the other squad especially when we could have done the same thing when vys was trapped 1v3 at the end...

for the record when ease and i suicided eachother it was only us 2 on the screen so izor u have no idea what ur talking about. and it's not like he was running from me i believe i respawned and he was near me and we shot at eachother. i died and went from life 8 to 9. he died and went from like 9 to 10 but ardour got another life...if you dont understand the drastic difference between a 2v4 in LD, you can at least recognize that i should have got a +1 at the very least...

[MirrorriM]

Alright, here's the deal. I've had this same exact thing happen multiple times in go javs. Where you hit f11 just as the bomb hits you, you die and go to spec immediately without the 5 second timer. But... YOU DIE THEN go to spec immediately afterward. Now, I'm not sure if you read that correctly so uhh one more time. YOU DIE THEN you go to spec. The key to understanding this sentence is to read it slowly and concentrate on the capital letters. YOU DIE.

It's not even a bug in the twlbot, it's a part of the game. there is a quarter-second window where you can hit f11 after getting hit by a bomb/bullet and it won't make you wait the 5 seconds to spec.

I can't believe you overturned what the bot registered, because you didn't see it hit him. That is completely retarded, and you should step down as TWLop. I don't and can't even understand your thought process when going about this.

Somebody who has NO IDEA how to jav or bird should not be making ANY decisions in either league. I nominate myself to take over TWL operations, because I have one major leg up on the competition- I'm not retarded.

One of the TWL Ops is a dueler You can repeat it but we saw Spec THEN Death. I dont think I need to repeat that. More importantly, the bot recorded the substitution THEN the death. Even the bot contradicted itself. Anyways, the situation will be fixed for next week.

[Turban]

riot


3. we keep doing !change turban:3 and !switch dwopple:mattey when we see fit to bypass spawn time. also we !change zizu:5 whenever there is a double TeK to bypass spawn time

Okay that doesn't work, silly. Nowadays you have to..

!change [PLAYER]:1
!change [PLAYER]:3

And you can't switch two players that are in the same ship. ;P