Thread not about the Thunder sub that cost Pirates the game. Don't worry.

[MirrorriM]

The order of operations does not make sense to make such a justification that a player actually was subbed before they died, according to the reasoning of MirrorriM.

But it makes sense to die out and then get subbed? The order of operations doesnt make sense either way we look at it. Which is why sight and the order of what the bot displayed were used in the decision.

[Dwopple]

Okay all bullshit aside, mirror you're beating around the bush here. How can you say there is nothing you can do about this? Thunder was allowed 51 deaths to pirates' 50 deaths in a close game...unfair. If the game ended 50-37 or somethin way off then by all means you can brush it off. But it wasnt. Last i checked, 51 deaths is more than 50 deaths...unless i failed elementary.

Fact: Thunder was allowed 51 deaths...., if Pirates would have won the game the score would have been Pirates 51 - Thunder (#).
Just like this game: http://twl.trenchwars.org/?x=showmatch&match=129



The game was a close game. Not a blowout.

its not like we're asking for thunder to be disqualified from TWL.

We just want a fair fkn rematch. B)

hi

[Kim]

But it makes sense to die out and then get subbed? The order of operations doesnt make sense either way we look at it. Which is why sight and the order of what the bot displayed were used in the decision.

Well at least this "theory" of dying out before getting subbed is continuous with the scores as listed in the F2 scorebox.

[Stabwound]

But it makes sense to die out and then get subbed? The order of operations doesnt make sense either way we look at it. Which is why sight and the order of what the bot displayed were used in the decision.

Yes. I assume you know that the TWL bots delay substitutions after the command is sent? What happened was the !sub command was sent, and during the sub delay, Ease then died. It specced him right away, as it should, and then acted upon the !sub command that was issued before the death. Due to this bug/oversight with the TWL bots, it is entirely possible to have an extra player in the game, which is what happened here. It is probably possible in TWL to get an extra "life" by substituting any player right as they're about to die.

http://forums.trenchwars.org/showthread.php?t=35981

That is a total and irrefutable explanation as to why they had a valid appeal. "Sight" is completely irrelevant in this case, and this was entirely due to with a bot bug in combination with how the game mechanics work.

[Summa]

Stabwound is right. Ease does lag afterall, should take that into account. I was going to spell it all out, but stab put it as simple as its going to get, don't want to get into fractions of a second here and command precidence and what goes through the server and such.

[Mattey]

Stabwound's argument is completely irrefutable. Any person with knowledge of this game will agree with what he posted and give Pirates a rematch.

if you cant die in spec then when you hit f11 in go javs as a bomb is coming at you, how do you get in spec exactly?

You die in the game, then get specced immediately afterward. The part I'm trying to get you focused on, is that you die in the game

[MirrorriM]

Yes. I assume you know that the TWL bots delay substitutions after the command is sent? What happened was the !sub command was sent, and during the sub delay, Ease then died. It specced him right away, as it should, and then acted upon the !sub command that was issued before the death. Due to this bug/oversight with the TWL bots, it is entirely possible to have an extra player in the game, which is what happened here. Due to this bug, it is probably possible in TWL to get an extra "life" by substituting any player right as they're about to die.

http://forums.trenchwars.org/showthread.php?t=35981

That is a total and irrefutable explanation as to why they had a valid appeal. "Sight" is completely irrelevant in this case, and this was entirely due to with a bot bug in combination with how the game mechanics work.

I agree with this explanation but disagree with the valid appeal. As people have pointed out, this is a known issue. This is like the situation with the flag jupe appeal in a past TWL.

[Mattey]

But it makes sense to die out and then get subbed? The order of operations doesnt make sense either way we look at it. Which is why sight and the order of what the bot displayed were used in the decision.

I need a facepalm gif.

[Mattey]

I agree with this explanation but disagree with the valid appeal. As people have pointed out, this is a known issue. This is like the situation with the flag jupe appeal in a past TWL.

WHAT?! You just completely changed your argument for why you don't agree with the appeal.

EDIT: And it is a known bug. He got subbed immediately after dying. HE SHOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN SUBBED. That's the bug. The bug was him getting subbed, not him dying from being hit. Step down and stop posting.

[Stabwound]

How is this a known bug? I have never seen anyone bring it up before. In fact, this is probably the first time this has ever even occurred.

[Izor]

Yes. I assume you know that the TWL bots delay substitutions after the command is sent? What happened was the !sub command was sent, and during the sub delay, Ease then died. It specced him right away, as it should, and then acted upon the !sub command that was issued before the death.

You obviously know nothing about how the !sub command works, so shut up.

[Mattey]

This is the first time this has happened in TWL, but I have had this happen in TWD's multiple times. Especially twbd's, but of course it doesn't matter there.

EDIT: I honestly can't believe you're still arguing this Mirrorrim, you are clearly in the wrong.

Your argument is that Ease got an extra death for ???, so you rectified the situation by allowing Ardour to get subbed in. It is clearly explained to you that it's IMPOSSIBLE to die for no reason. So you change your "ease died for ???" to it is a "known bug that ease died for no reason, sometimes the bot-fairies just kill people in spec."

Step down/stop posting.

[Izor]

You die in the game, then get specced immediately afterward. The part I'm trying to get you focused on, is that you die in the game

Ok, you die in the game, then have 0 energy, then spec. How is that possible? One of the game's mechanics is being overlooked here.

[Dwopple]

Like i said, the outcome of the game was CLOSE

its not like this game ended 50-35ish...the game was 50-47 with an extra player in....it was a close fkn game...


and again, were not trying to get thunder d/q'd from TWL

we just want a fair fkn replay

[Stabwound]

Ok, you die in the game, then have 0 energy, then spec. How is that possible? One of the game's mechanics is being overlooked here.

????

What are you even trying to say?