Thread not about the Thunder sub that cost Pirates the game. Don't worry.

[Mattey]

The rules state you can use subs at any time, that's why. Ease's own lag caused his death, not really a bug.

Oh really, it wasn't chuckle's bullet that caused the death?

Get the fuck out of here. Thunder is filled with gaping vaginas.

[Izor]

It may not be a bug, but it's definitely an oversight as this situation is something that should have been accounted for in the code.

It's an oversight, you're right. And we're about to see a bunch of squads trying to abuse it over the next couple weeks in hopes that they can replicate it, but it wont happen. The timing here is literally milliseconds. If that bullet had reached Ease (im guessing) 50-100 ms earlier, he would have died and not gotten the sub off. You're acting as though theres a 2 second window from when you issue !sub to when the sub processes that allowed this to occur.

On top of this, weve all known about this bug for years. Many years. No one has brought it up because its not at all important. Thats why the sub delay was added was to prevent such faggotry, but it will still happen from time to time anyway.

btw mattey we'll see if i choke come playoffs but i wouldnt count on it. What will be more interesting to see is if you actually play in the playoffs, which I highly doubt. You'll most likely watch me trample your team with my rushing and teaming ability

[Zingy]

The time the bot does the *spec command doesn't determine when the sub is "official"

I am not arguing whether or not Ease was killed before the bot itself did the *spec command. How fast it does the *spec command isn't when the "sub" has "officially" taken place. The sub has taken place when the bot has "validated" or "authorized" the sub to take place, after confirming that the player in question is still alive. The fact that there are milliseconds between the authorization and the *spec did not change the game because the bot had already considered the sub to have been valid before Ease died. If Ease had already been dead before the Bot checked if the sub is valid, the bot would not have gone through with putting Ardour in.

Timing Scenario:

1. <Ease and Chuckle fire bullets>
2. Chuckle killed by Ease.
3. <Sometime before, around or shortly after the bullets being fired the bot would have received the !sub command from Thunder's (A) and after a short delay would have "authorized" that Ease was alive right now and would have authorized the sub>
4. <Chuckle's bullet hits Ease>
5. 50-100millisecond later, the bot actually does the *arena message that "Ardour has been subbed in". The arena message doesnt determine when the "official" time the sub has taken place occurs... that is just when the bot notifies the arena. The sub would have been valid by the bot BEFORE the bot did the green arena message.
6. Some more milliseconds later, the bot does the *arena message saying "Ease is out. X wins Z losses"

The matchbots are the scorekeepers of the game, and there was no "glitch" (the ability to sub in situations like this has always existed, all teams can try to sub in a situation like this if they want to try, most will be unsuccessful).

The bot can only issue 1 command at a time to the server, so there will always be delays in programming. What matters is not the time when the bot *spec'd Ease, but when the bot itself validated the sub.

After the bot already recognized that Ease was alive and that the sub is authorized, milliseconds afterwards, a bullet hit Ease. The bot itself had already recognized that the sub took place milliseconds before the bullet hit ease. If Ease had been dead already before the bot authorized the sub, the sub would never have gone through since the bot will not allow a killed out player to be subbed.

The fact that there was a delay on the level of milliseconds doesn't change the fact that the "sub", as the bot authorized it, took place when the bot recognized that Ease was alive and allowed the sub to take place. That is the "official" time when the sub took place, not the time when the bot manually *spec'd Ease and *setship'd Ardour.

Important Point: The fact that the *arena for "Ardour has been subbed in" came before "Ease is out X wins Z losses" means that the bot had recognized the sub as valid BEFORE the bullet had hit Ease milliseconds afterwards. If the bot had seen Ease's death before it had gone through the "validation" of the sub, the sub would not have gone through since Ease would have already been dead.

When we're talking on the range of 50-100ms, we might say that the bot theoretically should have *spec'd Ease some milliseconds faster, but Thunder did not get an advantage from this 50-100ms delay before Ease got spec'd because Chuckle died to Ease's bullet close to 1 second before Ease died to Chuckle's bullet (chuckle's bullet was a floater). Chuckle died before the bot authorized Ease's sub. The bot validated the sub, and then the bullet hit Ease. The sub was valid and "official" at the point the bot recognized that Ease was still alive. Again, we're talking about milliseconds here that exist in all types of computer programming, and especially when it involves internet latency.

Therefore, Thunder gained no advantage because Chuckle would have been dead already even if the bot had spec'd Ease faster. The bot validated the sub, but was not quick enough to *spec Ease to prevent the bullet from hitting him... This doesn't change the fact that the sub was "valid" milliseconds before his death. Otherwise, like I said before, the bot would not have allowed the sub to take place. He should simply have been spec'd by the bot faster, but this 50-100ms delay did not change the game because the sub was already valid before he died. Thunder did not gain an "extra death" because Ease's death by Chuckle's bullet was a death that should not have happened in the first place.

Since in the bot's programming the sub had already been validated milliseconds before Ease died (when the bot recognized that Ease was alive) that was the official time when the sub took place. If Ease had already died before the sub was validated, the sub would not have gone through. The bot saw Ease alive when it validated the sub because the green arena message saying "Ardour has been subbed" came BEFORE the arena message (generated by the bot) saying "Ease is out. X wins Z losses."

[Salubrious]

everytime I click nextpage I return to the same page

can someone fix this for me, I think it's a bug and twforums are cheating

[pascone]

diso didnt appeal the jav game....even if they did, diso is the one who committed the fault therefore the game would in reality be 50-0 for the forfeit. If you care to refute what i just said then why not add every TWL team can do this glitch if they are losing to force a replay. get ur shit straight pascone.

so because you won one game where it happened, it doesn't matter. but when it happens in a different game in which you lose, it's a big deal. this is simply an excuse for losing. blame yourself instead of everyone else

also, mattey said it happens once every 10 twl seasons yet it happened twice already this year? i'm just sayin

[Chuckle]

so because you won one game where it happened, it doesn't matter. but when it happens in a different game in which you lose, it's a big deal. this is simply an excuse for losing. blame yourself instead of everyone else

Why the hell are we going to appeal a game we won? This is like getting a flag in your favor in NFL when you still get a touchdown. The team gets to decline the penalty. Honestly, how the hell is your brain functioning to actually believe it in that way...

I know your trying to pull the "eye for an eye" argument but that has 0 relevance here so just stop going down that path.

[Chuckle]

also, mattey said it happens once every 10 twl seasons yet it happened twice already this year? i'm just sayin

It has happened once in 12 TWL seasons where it has actually mattered. Most times when this happens is when it is a 1v5 situation and someone in spec subs their player when 5 bombs are shot at him (since you were not at the disoblige game, this is what happened) and obviously one of the 5 bombs/bullets might hit that one player right as the sub happens. The situation when it was ease and I was far different. It was a one on one suicide moment. Regardless, this is pretty rare in TWL. I hope you people realize even though it has happened twice in TWL this year, that is still only two lives out of 10 lives for each player for about 24 games a week for 7 weeks so far. Do the math, that is an extremely small number.

Most people know this. I don't know why anyone is contesting this fact. This is completely irrelevant.

What still stands is this ONE point (and nothing else the way i see it):
1. Ease died but Ardour still got a life. I died and didnt get an extra life. How big of a role did that two point swing make (Thunder getting +1 in Ardour, and Pirates getting -1 in Chuckle)? No one can say and therefore a replay should be in effect.

What doesn't matter:
1. Draft doing it on purpose (though I am not even blaming him).
2. Mirrorrim's fucked up explanation of why she denied the appeal (I dont blame her either, she was born a woman).
3. Anything Izor tries to say (this guy is mentally retarded).
4. Anything about the bot malfunctioning or not (who knows what really went on here).

[pascone]

i still think it's relevant, so whatever

i could only imagine what this thread would look like if it was 49-49 and pirates lost

[Chuckle]

i still think it's relevant, so whatever

i could only imagine what this thread would look like if it was 49-49 and pirates lost

Would you REALLY need your imagination if a game ENDED 49-49 and one team won...? Game would be replayed obviously...

[veetee]

I've said all I can say, I'm pull my head outta this swirly before my hairstyle goes back a few decades.

Oh and draft, be careful! I'll pull a vt response on you.

Why would you involve me into this 24253 posts/day bs, knockers.

[Nimrook]

I don't get why this is still going on. I don't see Hercules coming on here whining. Move on ffs.

We didn't even whine that long when they let a banned player played a TWLD Final match last season and that player clearly carried their team to victory.

Move on with life, you all got better things to do then whine here 24/7.

and Phiz stfu already k thanks!

[Dwopple]

so because you won one game where it happened, it doesn't matter. but when it happens in a different game in which you lose, it's a big deal. this is simply an excuse for losing. blame yourself instead of everyone else

also, mattey said it happens once every 10 twl seasons yet it happened twice already this year? i'm just sayin

okay read my post again, and add "morals" and "justice" to your thought process, otherwise stop talking.

[PaulOakenfold]

Zingy I appreciate the effort on behalf of my squadron, but both sides are really getting too into this. Makes me lose faith in our active and voiced community. Sure Phizey was a dick about it, but this was a weird incident that didn't involve half of the people replying. Staff learned a thing or two based on this match, stop dwelling so much on it.

[Izor]

okay read my post again, and add "morals" and "justice" to your thought process, otherwise stop talking.

"morals" and "justice" arent part of the rules idiot

[Mattey]

Zingy I appreciate the effort on behalf of my squadron, but both sides are really getting too into this. Makes me lose faith in our active and voiced community. Sure Phizey was a dick about it, but this was a weird incident that didn't involve half of the people replying. Staff learned a thing or two based on this match, stop dwelling so much on it.

Stop adding to this discussion then. If you are above it, stay above it and shut the fuck up.

The excuse for the denial of the appeal continues to make no sense.