Gay Marriage

[THE ENFORCER]

Agreed

Hey i was nice to you, and i complimented your avatar!

[Fallen Angel]

I dont think that at all, read my prior posting

Btw i like your sig i think it speaks to me.....

Well, personally I believe sexual preference is determined at birth by one or multiple factors. Sexual preference is a basic instinct that can't be influenced by external factors.

[THE ENFORCER]

Well, personally I believe sexual preference is determined at birth by one or multiple factors. Sexual preference is a basic instinct that can't be influenced by external factors.

Thats your opinion and i respect that, but i think differently i hope you can respect mine.

[Fallen Angel]

Thats your opinion and i respect that, but i think differently i hope you can respect mine.

I respect the fact that you have a different opinion ofcourse
I just don't agree with it, you don't agree with mine and neither one of us can back up our beliefs with solid scientific evidence, so I guess we go argue about it indefinitely.
However, denying a gay couple the right to raise children, based on claims that they would somehow be unfit to do so, because of their sexual preference, is nonsense.

[THE ENFORCER]

I respect the fact that you have a different opinion ofcourse
I just don't agree with it, you don't agree with mine and neither one of us can back up our beliefs with solid scientific evidence, so I guess we go argue about it indefinitely.
However, denying a gay couple the right to raise children, based on claims that they would somehow be unfit to do so, because of their sexual preference, is nonsense.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree then.

[Fallen Angel]

I guess we will have to agree to disagree then.

Agreed

[Sarien]

Sigh, your missing the point. The kid should be placed in foster care, thats what they are there for! Hello?

And you call me the idiot. What kind of jerk actually believes it's better
for a kid to be in foster care than in a home with parents. Like I said,
you should have to tell the kid that to his/her face. You should be
ashamed of yourself.

[Fallen Angel]

I'm against gay marriage, because I'm religious, and the Bible says that marriage is for a man and woman, so that's what I believe.

Yes, pitty mankind hasn't blessed with the gift of independent thought.
I mean, how great would it be to be able to form your own beliefs and values, instead of having to adopt them from some questionable ancient piece of literature.
Alas.

[arrogance]

Religious or not, as far as I know the concept of marriage has originated from deelpy religious institutions, and to hijack that union that some institutions take very serious and tell them that it's no longer what they defined it as but now extends to same sex couples is not appropriate. I think that's especially true if such religious institutions are forced to perform such ceremonies, which comes across as a very strong mockery of their beliefs to me.

If your country practices a division of church and state, then legally your country shouldn't be distinguishing anyone any differently based on weather or not they're "married" in the religious sense. I'd rather see a civil union state extending to whatever couples want to identify themselves as such. I don't think that your country nor any religion should be pushing these beliefs where they're not wanted, but leave the concept of marriage to the area where it originated and taken very seriously.

Personally, I don't buy alot of modern par for the course outlook on homosexuality. I don't know if it's a genetic unavoidable trait you're born with, infact there's very few of us who do, I only know that I don't have it. I don't buy "repeated undisputable studies" proving beyond any doubt that homosexuality is genetic, give me 10 years and a bio-chemistry degree and I'll have undisputable evidence to the contrary. I don't know if it's a harmless expression of genuine love that doesn't affect anyone but those involved, but nobody's going to know that until we see where society is in a few hundred years, if even then. I do know that if I were born gay, I wouldn't practice it, the same way I don't do alot of things I'm inclined to do but believe are wrong or destructive. I don't doubt that's hard for alot of people to grasp and it's probably opening me up to alot of flamage. The kicker however is that that's all personal belief, and I'm well aware they don't extend any further than that.

While I don't think gays should be legally restrained from doing their thing, or recognized as a unit legally, I do take issue with the argument that people shouldn't be prevented from doing anything so long as it doesn't interfere with those rights of others. Legal systems in all of our countries are full of examples of paternalism, where the government protects you from yourself, as well as laws relating to conduct we find morally repulsive. Look them up and start taking them away, things start looking a little scary awefully fast. It's not outlandish that these laws were on the books in the first place, and there's plenty more sitting there that you would glaze right over, but will be suddenly taken issue with in the future.

[Fallen Angel]

I do take issue with the argument that people shouldn't be prevented from doing anything so long as it doesn't interfere with those rights of others.

Very true indeed. If that were the case then things would get out of hand FAST. For this reason, the decision to legalize something should be made on a case by case basis. So the question becomes: what possible harm to society could come from legally binding two people of the same sex?

[Subjugation]

yes, who defines what the age of consent is? who defines what sexuality we should all be?

the real answer is noone, meaning there is no limit to limits: if the gay communit ywants marriage, soon pedophiles will want younger marriage. mormons will want bigamy, etc etc.

firstly, let me say thanks for actually taking the time to post a sentence or two. at least you're showing respect for you point of view.

to answer your question about who defines the age of consent, it's old white men---or more specifically, the legislature and congress. if you ask any 14 year old if they should be the one who makes the personal decisions for their bodies, of course they're going to say yes. but the reality is, it's not up to them. it's up to lawmakers who stay up late at night pissing themselves at the thought of their teenage daughters getting fucked.

that's why the age of consent is going no lower than it already is. if anything, it would go up in those areas where it's lower than 18. but i understand your point. you're using the hackneyed "slippery slope" argument where if we allow gay marriages, then all of a sudden dogs will marry cats, and then babies will marry aliens, vegetables marry doorknobs, then country falls apart.

the reason why your slippery slope argument doesn't apply here is because this isn't a question of morality. it's about equality between consenting adults. study after study has said that homosexuality is not a choice, it's genetic. in the context of marriage, there shouldn't be discrimination based on genetic differences. its simply as unethical as proposing a ban on interracial marriage (which would also get you killed not so long ago).

[Subjugation]

edit: deleted for the sake of avoiding repetition.

[Zeta-burn]

all gays need to be lined up, and gunned down.

agreed.

[Subjugation]

I'm against gay marriage, because I'm religious, and the Bible says that marriage is for a man and woman, so that's what I believe.

i asked earlier about where in the bible it says that. which book and verse?

[Subjugation]

all gays need to be lined up, and gunned down.

agreed.

don't you have some synagogues to burn and black people to drag from your truck?