Israel / Lebanon Shit storm

[Richard Creager]

I'm going to refer to them as the UNTIED nations from now one, thanks Ali.

[FarScape]

All start from education...

Israel did wrong by not taking those palestinians here and invest money in giving them Right education and economical support. our mistake was to leave them in their land and some how ignore the problem.

Now they are all hating, and hate will keep grow, because of the lies they get fed with and what we are doing... BUT! Israel as a state cant just let Terror and killing againts our citizens go just like that. If we would, no need to have an army right?

In close countries like N.korea and Iran, hate againts the west will ever be, cause thats what they learn to hate.
China is good example for a strong and close country that actually is open to the west, and so other muslim countries like dubai. A good example of how their money is not invested in hate and weapons and terror, and instead on mega stractures and Beautiful man achivments.

Lebanon was called the switzerland of middle east. I guess that in Switzerland there isnt a terror group that attack germany or france or italy.
I want to see how germany or france or italy would react when a terror group from Switzerland will kill people, bombing paris or rome, and kidnap soldiers.

Lets hear the hypocrisy now...

And for all who wonder why we attack airpot and roads, just try to think from where that terror group get their rockets, and you will understand

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Well I see the problem being that Lebanon has this wack job "Nasrallah" calling the shots over what should be from the Lebanese Government, not some wack job that would most likely hold up an infant in front of him to shield himself from a bullet. This fat fuck it would seem is trying to get his 15 minutes of fame. If the Lebanese were smart, they would find this guy and string him up by the balls...probably does not have any, but this is the guy that is responsible for the entire wildfire that has ignited between Israel and Lebanon borders.

These radical nut jobs who hide behind others in the name of religion are the root of the problems both sides are facing. How many innocent people have to die and lose everything, because of a fanatical tyrnat so-called religious leaders views are based upon doctrines 1000's of years old.

I bet Nasrallah's mother circumsized camels with her eye teeth for a living!

[FarScape]

not a small part of lebanon support him...
he had fame for too long time, finaly WE got brain to finish it.

[Squeezer]

The shitty thing is that if we were to declare war against Syria and Iran, the European nations would not jump in to support us, because they, unlike us, don't favor Israel enough to jump into a giant conflict on their behalf.

China wont go to war against the U.S., because they need us too much, economically speaking. Russia wont go to war with the US, because they don't want to go to war with anyone.

[Dameon Angell]

And then , came the mistake . A Merkava Mark 2 tank , which is built to operate while getting hit by RPGs (i believe I even posted a movie here of a Merkava getting hit 7 times by RPGs in a village , and
operating normally) , but not built for massive landmines , gets absolutely annihilated by a massive land explosion (around half a ton) , deep withing Lebanon territory.

I was wondering if you had this video/knew where it was?

[Hakaku]

China wont go to war against the U.S., because they need us too much, economically speaking.

Just a correction: China wouldn't go to war because they have better things to worry about like their own government (and possibly North Korea). The US depends a lot (and possibly more) on China, so it's unlikely these countries will go to war.

Anyway, I've followed the story from the beginning, it's quite sad to hear such bad things happen. Hezbollah should give up, then Israel could leave Lebanon alone and possibly help rebuild. But that's not the situation, and as tension rises, Syria and Iran could interfere at any time (by pressure of international forces aiding). The US would help Israel, since they've already said they'll back them up. I would be scary to think that anyone else would interfere and possibly arise to the real WWIII.

Meanwhile, Western nations with citizens in Lebanon have started to act on evacuation plans.

The United States removed 21 Americans on Sunday, taking them out by military helicopter.[There are some 25 000 Americans in Lebanon, and the U.S. Embassy has already advised those who wish to leave that they should prepare a small bag and be ready for announcements on when to leave. ]

Italian military flights removed 350, mostly Europeans. [there are about 42 000 Europeans in Lebanon, most of them are on alert for evacuation]

The Canadian government has contracted three ships to sail from Cyprus to the coast of Lebanon in order to evacuate the estimated 40 000 to 50 000 Canadians who are in the country.

It also seriously has to suck for the other Lebanese people, who have/will become refugees by the thousands.
source: http://www.ctv.ca/.

Edit: didn't notice LB had a similar article.

[FarScape]

The US depends a lot (and possibly more) on China, so it's unlikely these countries will go to war.

DUH somebody gotta make NIKE no? :-D

btw, Syria and Iran wont attack us, syria simpely doesnt have a strong army to face israel, and Iran... well, USA is stuck in iraq, and iran is part of the evil pitch that bush claimed...
but they are fanatic so who know... when they will get nuke, ill be scared

[Liquid Blue]

"Lebanon is no more"

I hadn't heard anything from the guy in Lebanon in the past few days because his family crossed the border to Syria while they were still able to. He posted today though, so here you go:

Megacharger, Hizb Allah is a political party that represents a huge minority in Lebanon. One would think that in a DEMOCRATIC nation, minorities are represented in the state and governmet (btw, there is no majority group in Lebanon); especially such a big one. Most of the South, Nabbatiyyeh and a good chunk of the Bekaa supports them. Would you have three electorates marginalised? It's not like Hizb Allah controls or holds the majority of seats, quite the contrary, they are the opposition in the government and are political allies of a mostly Christian group (Free Patriotic Movement) and a secularist party (Syrian Social Nationalist Party). And this bloc together is still the parliamentary majority.

VP, I think it was you who said that Hizb Allah has been hit hard (and you quoted reports of bombed out offices) and you said they are the main targets of aggression. Well you are wrong. Firstly, the blown out offices are used for political purposes and by the political wing of the party. No one knows where the fuck they convene to discuss military issues. Not one of their fighters has been killed (there were rumors that about two were killed but I dunno for sure). None of their weapons caches were hit and their capabilities undiminished. If you think the roads getting hit affects them, you are wrong. Israeli/British/American analysis stated that Hizb Allah has the resources to keep this up for AT LEAST five months without bringing in new supplies. Now look at some of the roads being destroye today and yesterday. They hit areas in East Beirut and North Lebanon. These are Christian and Sunni areas (aka areas where Hizb Allah enjoyed close to no support whatsoever), guess who is gonna start hating on Israel some more and start backing Hizb Allah? Lebanese soldiers have been getting hit by the dozens. What was it? Nine killed on the attack on the port of Tripoli? And 11 or something killed this morning in East Beirut?

You know who the loudest vocal opponents and critics (in Lebanon) of this Israeli war on Lebanon are? The same people who pushed for and supported 1559 and the main opponents of Hizb Allah (the ones who were pushing for disarmament); our Prime Minister and the political bloc that controls parliament are included in that group. Even the Druse leader, Walid Jumblatt, who people were accusing of serving Israel because of his unbelievably anti-resistance, pro-western (even pro-Israeli at times) mindset and speech patterns has pulled a 180 and pledged that the Chouf Mountains is open to Hizb Allah and the resistance if they ever need to seek refuge there.

Now let's take a look at civilian targets. I am guessing that your awesome media did not report on what happened in Marwaheen. We received word on it on our way to the Syrian border by radio. We didn't know if it was true or not, but people back home confirmed it. Israel had dropped leaflets/fliers on the village telling the residents to flee because their village was to be destroyed, and flee some of them attempted to do. Israel then fired upon and destroyed cars driving on the road TOWARDS BEIRUT (away from the fighting) killing about 23 or 25 (a dozen or so were children) civilians. A church (yes a Christian church) was hit by an Israeli missile today and killed about 5 and injured like a dozen.

Fucking somewhere around 220 - 250 civilian deaths in less than a week. Dozens of Lebanese army soldiers have died for no reason. LESS THAN A WEEK! And in that time no Hizb Allah losses have been reported. Not just that, their attacks are getting deadlier and more dangerous and going deeper and deeper into Israel. Countless civilians have been displaced and are living in school classrooms all over Beirut and Mount Lebanon, and churches and mosques all over the country. The mountain villages of North Lebanon have offered themselves to any and all victims of this conflict (our brothers in the South). These people are being able to eat because Hizb Allah has begun going around distributing food, water and milk to all of them.

And I have been watching CNN and BBC over here these past 2 days. They send their cameras down into Haifa and show people crying and talk about pain and suffering, etc., etc. Then they just spit out the figures from the Lebanese side, "oh ya, and more civilian deaths on the other side of the border." I guess Lebanese are just animals and are nothing but random statistics.

You all do not understand. Lebanon is no more. It is gone. South Beirut is complete rubble as in non-existant. Dozens of Lebanese soldiers are dead. Hundreds upon hundreds of dead civilians and like double or three times that are injured. The infrastructure has been decimated and the economy has lost billions and billions of dollars. Nasrallah still has a smile on his face, he getting more support and Israel is still getting rocketed and there are no signs of the resistance letting down.

Reading through what has been written in this thread over the past 2-3 days almost made me throw up.

[Liquid Blue]

http://www.leb.org/v3/lebanon

Appeal for support.

[Exalt]

with all this bullshit blowing up at once its pretty close to becoming a full-scale war that will suck other countries into it. Honestly I dont want to fight WW3 because the fucking arabs cant stop fucking with Isreal. US will always support Isreals claim to be their own nation, whether the other Arab nations like that or not is their own problem. There is always shit between Arab nations and Isreal and a lot of hate, but US will definately defend Isreal in all of these situations and everyone knows it. If we get sucked into this thing, all hell will break loose because we go full out with our military. We dont play the game without winning. Al Queda already pissed us off from the world trade center bombings, which was really really fucked up, and killed thousands of people in one of the worlds biggest cities and tourest attractions. The few Arab nations that actually support the terrorists, like Iran, Syria, and Lebanon are just getting themselves into a ton of shit. You dont spit in the face of the big boys and then steal their little brother's lunch money, aka Isreal. Hopefully something can be done and this thing dies down somehow, where more people dont get hurt.

In the end I would like to say, reflect on the issue before you all repost about how much you hate this side or you hate that side and how much you want everyone to get bombed and go to war. Until you actually sign up for the military and are willing to die for your country in this whole political bullshit war, dont even respond to what you think your country should do to the other country.

It's guys actually in the military that will go fight wars like these to protect the normal civilians like you guys from dieing, when in the end its civilians that run the governments and make these decisions to go to war. Kinda screwed up huh?

[genocidal]

It's guys actually in the military that will go fight wars like these to protect the normal civilians like you guys from dieing, when in the end its civilians that run the governments and make these decisions to go to war. Kinda screwed up huh?

Yeah every state should revert to a military dictatorship.

This goes for everyone in the thread: if you're going to talk like you're an expert on military strategy and the situation in the Middle East at least learn how to spell Israel.

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So here is were Lebanon stands by the tradition of being a supporter of terrorists along with Syria & Iran in the blatant action taken that started the entire current mess on this dispute.

They deny it and say they have nothing to do with it and their hands are clean, yet in the AP and World Press this was quoted:

Lebanon's pro-Syrian President Emile Lahoud has vowed to stand by Hezbollah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah.

Nice way to take leadership in your country douche bag! And yet this President of Lebanon gets better:

The Lebanese army has been ordered not to respond to the Israeli attacks. But Lebanese soldiers have now died in several strikes, including one on the port of Abdeh on Monday in which nine died.

Well if the dumb fuck Lebanese president Emile Lahoud would have sent his troops to the south to stop Hezbollah and worked with Israel in ending this together as two countries looking for peace and the ousting of terrorism, most of the crap that the innocent citizens are dealing with would not have happened.

What an example of poor government leadership, a puppet government on Lebanon’s behalf. Sadly, this makes Bush look like a genius!

It just seems ironic to me that the entire reason for all of these events happened just a day or before the G8 summit. My judgment on this, not that it matters, is this was all designed to do exactly what it has done. I do not blame Israel on this but rather the Lebanese Government that has no control over anything in its own country w/o Syria and Iran making that choice for them & allowed this to escalate to the scale of war it has become.

As of recent talks to settle this debacle, Israel welcomes the L:ebanese troops to Southern Lebanon, yet the good ol Lebanese Pres. will not do this and will allow everything to escalate.

Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni held talks on Tuesday with a UN team trying to negotiate a ceasefire, but said the soldiers' release and the deployment of the Lebanese army in the south would have to precede a ceasefire.

F' Lebanon and the dumb shits that live there that allow themselves to be led down a path of crap for some cleric's vision of a perfect Islamic world.

I do not have anything against the Muslim faith and Islam, but these Clerics as well as any fanatic of any religion are a danger to this shrinking world.

[Exalt]

Yeah every state should revert to a military dictatorship.

This goes for everyone in the thread: if you're going to talk like you're an expert on military strategy and the situation in the Middle East at least learn how to spell Israel.

actually you took what i said wrong but its ok

what i mean is, its dumbasses like you that all seem to want to go to war all the time... yet your never the ones actually fighting the wars, you sit on your tvs watching them after your afternoon tea or whatever. pay attention to whats happening in the world before you make bias assumptions about everything

[genocidal]

Have you ever read anything I've written or were you just being a dumbass and assuming I want to go to war with everyone?