Homosexuality

[Galleleo]

The whole "we're all family" was mainly a comment ridiculing the bible and what it all says. It doesn't make any sense. But if you will follow it closely, we are all family and thus we all have incest.

[Hero*]

The whole "we're all family" was mainly a comment ridiculing the bible and what it all says. It doesn't make any sense. But if you will follow it closely, we are all family and thus we all have incest.

you know the story isn't actually true, right? like im catholic, i believe in the bible and God, but you know that isn't a true story right? Its to teach us a lesson.

[Squeezer]

Not to get into a Bible Battle, but that book contradicts itself more than Pat Roberts.

Sodom and Ghemorra (sorry if spelled wrong) are destroyed by the Lord's angels because the people inhabiting them are having anal sex, incest, and generally commiting sexual trevesties in the eyes of God.

But, before it's destroyed the Lord warns the just brother of Abraham, Lot. Lot and his family flee and are told not to look back. Lot's wife looks back and BOOM! she's turned into a pillar of salt. Lot and his two daughters then hide out in a cave. Lot's daughters, deciding that their family name needs to continue, then commence to get their father drunk and have sex with him.

THEY COMMIT THE EXACT SAME SIN THAT AN ENTIRE VILLAGE WAS BURNED ALIVE FOR!!!!

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Stupid and contradictive.

Don't get me wrong, I consider Jesus Christ to be one of the best Social Revolutionaries to ever live. Some of the words that came from his mouth can only be described as world changing. His messages are great models for humanity to live by, but not to follow to the exact specifications. If Jesus resurected today, who do you think he'd spend his time with? It wouldn't be us well-fed, well-clothed, healthy, rich people, it'd be with those that need help. He would be with the downtrodden, the hated.

But, like Kolar said, if our lives didn't have a meaningful continuation, if this is all their is, then why live?

And I sincerely hope none of you answers that.

[geekbot]

In your opinion, do you think homosexuality is seen as a disgusting lifestyle to many simply because they dislike the act/idea itself, or because religion says it's a bad thing?

Most people don't think things are disgusting because religion says it's wrong- swearing, killing, gossiping, cheating. None of these are viewed as disgusting.

Sex, not exclusively homosexuality, is seen as disgusting- I think this is from society in general. Private areas are not to be seen, touched, etc. because they are "dirty". I'm not talking about religion says they're dirty. I'm talking about your parents say wash your hands after you pee because it's dirty. Or don't let strangers touch your private areas because that's bad. That's when you're younger.

As you get older, sex is still taboo to talk about and sometimes do. This is a mix of religion and society- people who have lots of sex are sluts/womanizers.

Homosexuality has the bonus of being both about sex and seen as deviating from norm. When something is "uncomfortable" like sex, sticking to the norm is the way to be safe. Embracing alternative ideas or knowing too much about them endangers you of also being shunned by society. (Even though the variety and preferences when it comes to sex is actually pretty great).

[schope]

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[Zerzera]

you misunderstood.

lol, he can't even interpreted your post, and he tries to interpreted the bible.

"I can quote the bible, so I am right and I won't go to hell". Don't get me wrong, I can quote the bible too. It's being read to me over ten times and as son of the house I was forced to read on Sundays. And I even read most of it again as being literature.
First I started to believe that if there were a God, he sure would not be pleased with the institution called 'the Church' as it is now (or the last 500 years). Now I lost all 'faith' in God, in the bible he just has too many flaws, so either humans put it down wrong, or God is too much of a human to be true.

[Superted]

Then aren't we all sinners?

Well actually... yes, we are. That's the reason why God gave his only son.

you know the story isn't actually true, right?

I'm open to the idea of the story being an alagory (I think that's the right term), but not completly false. It has too many implications on our current situation and Jesus' purpose.

[Money]

ppl who quote the bible are about useless

[Dabram]

liquid you asked a very difficult question on a forum which community consists mostly out of teenagers in the midst of their puberty, what did you expect?

anyway i'll try to answer your question.

first of all, people have difficulties with accepting people that are different; when it comes to sexuality, political / religious believes, race, upto redundant things like musical taste..
how open-minded you are depends on in what social environment you grew up, your intelligence etc. so to answer your question. i think the answer isn't 'they see the act as a bad thing itself', because then you avoid the question 'why does someone think the act itself is a bad thing' and neither can you simply blame it on religion. Believing 'homosexuality is wrong' is something you grow up with. of course religion can be an important influence (if someone grows up with strong religious believes), since they usually tell homosexuality is wrong. but also parents, your social circle and experiences in your life influence your believes.

And that's also why when you read the arguments people make against homosexuality, they always come over as very foolish and they usually just end up getting angry. When they grew up believing homosexuality is wrong, they didn't get strong arguments why to be against homosexuality. However it's still difficult for a lot people to let go of such believes.

As for the whole genetic or not discussion: Fun fact; sexuality isn't a mere human-thing, and neither is homosexuality. all animal species have hetero -and homosexuals
So is it genetic? i'm not sure, but it surely isn't 100% free choice or something that comes to you while you grow up.
Also I don't think sexuality is ever 100% heterosexuality or 100% homosexuality, we're all somewhere in a grey area. of course there are people who are homosexual but for whatever reason (pressure from society) who choose to be heterosexual, and there are heterosexual people who from whatever reasons (traumatic experience w/e) choose to be homosexual..

ps. i could also have just said i agree with zerz / epi / face..

[Displaced]

If that were to be true a kid with straight parents should grow up straight and a kid growing up with gay 'parents' would become gay.

By that definition, if one kid grows up to be gay, so must his brothers/sisters of the same sex.
Or will that only happen if they happen to sit at the swing that certain day? rofl, please don't talk out of your ass.

umm, no.

parents arent the only thing the kid sees day in, day out, all day, everyday and nothing else, they may be an influence, sure, but not the only influence.

also, do you think siblings are subjected to exactly the same thing, you think they experience exactly the same thing, and hence like exactly the same thing? no, theyll have different friends at school, theyll see different things growing up, and hence, make their own choices.

it doesnt have jack shit to do with sitting on a certain swing at a certain time on a certain day, but its a collective of ALL the experiences that person has had during their "formative" years, that gives them their taste.

you think im "talking out of my ass", fine, give me some evidence that disproves the fact that some african tribes, prefer fat chicks, or what amazon tribesemen find attractive, isnt what we find attractive. It is pure and simple, they have been subjected to such a small pocket of people, and hence they "like" what they know, or rather, dont know any better, its not genetics.

prove me wrong, but i find it hard to believe that people lack that choice, if you believe people are predispositioned to be homosexuals, do you also believe that our genetics tell us whether or not were going to be streetwhores or ceo's, and have no say over that matter either?

[Noah]

I think it's ok as long as I dont see it, I wouldnt mind having a gay friend. Or a friend telling me he's gay, I'd be ok with it.

BUT, it really makes me kinda icky to watch two gays walk around. Not because I'm not used to it, but the sight of it is just not something I like to see. AND I get disgusted by watching anyone who is übergay on their own, I just do not want to see anything related to it.

I'm also against gays adopting, but for gay marriages.
A kid with two gay parents will get picked on, that's a FACT. That can be prevented by giving him a more normal family.

The only way to fix that is to change the general attitude at the playground/schools, and that won't happen in this century.

Gay marriages doesn't involve another life in that way, so let them do whatever they feel like.

Oh: Regarding what makes you gay: I say it's random.
With a combination from everything from your genes, friends, parents, upbringing, religion you slowly make yourself an ideal partner. Be it either blondes, brunettes, same gender, redheads, fat, skinny, etc. etc.

And being gay is natural, it's well documented that several animals can be gay as well.

Closing statement: Money is homosexual.

[Galleleo]

Disp, when are you gonna read that there is more to us then just genetics.

And you're whole comparison with the bush man in Africa doesn't really work. Firstly, they never leave their tribes really. So all they see is those woman. And have you actually talked with those people? Have they actually specifically told you that they only like fat woman. Or do they have no choice because those are the only woman they are and they have to marry one of them?

It's not like gay people only see guys, that they don't know anything but guys. That they have no choice but guys. It's not like straight people only see girls, they know nothing but girls, have no choice but girls. So that whole comparison is flawed.

[DoTheFandango]

Shut up shut up shut up.

Who knows what's wrong or right? Does it all matter in the end who has sex with whom? As long as it is consensual, I can't see how anyone else could give a flying shit about who fucks who. It's not the law makers decision who other people can have sex with. It's not YOUR decision to say who other people can have sex with. Who the FUCK cares? It's not some big moral dilemma. It's a matter of what each person is determined to like. Get off their backs.

[Zerzera]

umm, no.

parents arent the only thing the kid sees day in, day out, all day, everyday and nothing else, they may be an influence, sure, but not the only influence.

also, do you think siblings are subjected to exactly the same thing, you think they experience exactly the same thing, and hence like exactly the same thing? no, theyll have different friends at school, theyll see different things growing up, and hence, make their own choices.

it doesnt have jack shit to do with sitting on a certain swing at a certain time on a certain day, but its a collective of ALL the experiences that person has had during their "formative" years, that gives them their taste.

you think im "talking out of my ass", fine, give me some evidence that disproves the fact that some african tribes, prefer fat chicks, or what amazon tribesemen find attractive, isnt what we find attractive. It is pure and simple, they have been subjected to such a small pocket of people, and hence they "like" what they know, or rather, dont know any better, its not genetics.

prove me wrong, but i find it hard to believe that people lack that choice, if you believe people are predispositioned to be homosexuals, do you also believe that our genetics tell us whether or not were going to be streetwhores or ceo's, and have no say over that matter either?

In my 'community' it's 'normal' to prefer slim fit girls, still I have friends who fall in love with 'fat' girls. You are generalizing entire tribes over love, while you are only talking about what's fashionable in their community.

I do agree that your surrounding put pressure on your behavior, nonetheless there are things even the society can't suppress.

Nature has a strange way of arranging things. In zoos where the male/female balance is disturbed (nature wants it to be 50/50 by most of these animals anyway) animals turn 'gay', it's never their real choice, and it's not because the caretaker tells them it's better to be gay.
I think you are overestimating the complexity of mankind.

[Displaced]

Disp, when are you gonna read that there is more to us then just genetics.

And you're whole comparison with the bush man in Africa doesn't really work. Firstly, they never leave their tribes really. So all they see is those woman. And have you actually talked with those people? Have they actually specifically told you that they only like fat woman. Or do they have no choice because those are the only woman they are and they have to marry one of them?

It's not like gay people only see guys, that they don't know anything but guys. That they have no choice but guys. It's not like straight people only see girls, they know nothing but girls, have no choice but girls. So that whole comparison is flawed.

thats exactly what im saying, that its not purely genetic...

exactly, they dont leave their tribes, which is EXACTLY my point, their outside influence is very much more limited than yours or mine, hence their preference will also be much more limited. if sexual preference were purely genetic, it shouldnt matter where they live, or how secluded they are, should it?

i have "talked" to these people, and i have seen them, they pity people who arent large, because they dont know how they could find a mate. (since they see them as unattractive). Its not like they are "forced" to marry fat, but the women in their communities are fed so that they become large, because that is what the men there prefer.

It's not like gay people only see guys, that they don't know anything but guys. That they have no choice but guys. It's not like straight people only see girls, they know nothing but girls, have no choice but girls. So that whole comparison is flawed.

learn to read? ive NEVER said that gays only see gays, im trying to get you to PROVE to me that sexual preference is genetic, if it was, outside influence would not impact ANYONE, as everyone would like exactly what their genetics tell them.

what i said was that homosexuals (in my mind) arent a cause of genetics, but a subconscious (maybe conscious) choice, no more, no less.

Zerz, maybe i am overestimating humanity, quite possible, im just debating the issue at hand.

but i dont believe that people as a general have the freedom fo choice, but are incapable to choose what they "are".