Proof the Bible is Garbage?

[genocidal]

Just read the Bible, it's a pretty good read (Old Testament at least). I'm not religious but I read the entire thing and enjoyed it.

[Mythrandir]

I'm not sure if you were looking for purely religious information but I would suggest the "The Perimeter of Ignorance" by Neil deGrasse Tyson as oppose to Metal's suggestion. He is generally less abrasive and hostile then Dawkins.

I watched a talk by deGrasse Tyson, it was on the beyond belief conference, he's a very pleasant and interesting speaker. I wish he'd write/speak more - about astronomy, that is.

[Galleleo]

So I never bothered before with this thread, but I see its still going.

[jeem]

Lol, you don't read a lot do you.

Are you seriously looking for a summary of the bible because I couldn't think of anything more boring.

you don't read a lot, do you, otherwise you'd be aware of it's being referenced in just about every piece of literature that comes out of the west

and yeah i would prefer a summarization to the entire thing because i was forced to read a lot when i was little but parts are still vague

[Foreign]

This is not what I said, but I like the way you started and ended that comment. Did anyone else notice the irony?



Not that 'why' I want to argue this point is of much consideration, but I guess it's just me exercising my rights to talk about it. I don't see myself as intellectually superior than every religious person. It's ok for me to comment on demographical statistics without asserting this completely emotive stance you have postulated. For me, religion is damaging and an indoctrinating institution which prays on the intellectually weak (but is not limited too of course because you get a lot of religious scholars). To be able to reject scientifically proven fact in the name of faith necessarily requires you to dispose of evidence provided. This infers irrationality or ignorance which are linked to intellectual inferiority. Of course you will get intelligent people who will be religious and unintelligent atheists, it's just a general trend based on the rationale required to reconcile these two belief systems.

Well, then I must have been guilty of misinterpreting your implications. What I took from all your statistics was to say, "The only reason you could possibly disagree with me would be because you don't know any better." All the same, discounting scientific evidence and fact never come into play when I choose whether or not to be "religious" as you say (I'm assuming you say religious because it's the easiest word to describe those of faith in a general manner). Though you say religious belief is based on irrationality, I would argue that I am able to rationalize my beliefs. To say my beliefs are based on irrationality suggests that they are based primarily on fear of the unknown. I don't want to repeat myself on the subject of fear and faith, and I'm not bothering to find the link to Telcat's thread, but you can read it there if you're inclined.

I will agree with you that there are a great deal of people who just to ignore what they don't understand about science, but that doesn't discredit the basis of their faith. I would think that the knowledge (or lack thereof) of a believer has no bearing on the objective truth he chooses to believe, and it makes perfect sense to me that those without faith are on average more intelligent.

I guess this is because people like you refuse to accept the answer that has been made easy for our society (believe blindly), and for that I'm glad. I didn't take the easy way either. We just arrived at different conclusions. So, the conclusions I now draw from your numbers are a) that it's easier to believe blindly than it is to ask questions and b) people of lower intelligence tend to take the easy way. You may disagree with that idea, but it makes perfect sense to me.

[Cops]

those without faith are on average more intelligent.

Even if I share your common opinion it still upsets smart and intellectual religious people who found something to believe in. I'm not saying you're right or wrong I'm just saying that that type of opinion does nothing but start controversy with the intelligent, fanatics, and anyone who has faith in anything other than what science tells them.

Some of the most intelligent people I know believe in evolution yet they are not foolish enough to forget that if you look at the equation we still don't know what created this earth, this universe or even matter. Why isn't mathematically and scientifically unintelligent to think that something or someone sparked a chain of events that lead to our creation.

Believing in God and Evolution can co-exist in ones interpretation, atheists and religious people alike do nothing but separate the idea that these two ideologies cannot work under one roof.

When it comes to religious debates where intelligence is attacked I will most likely side with religious people regardless if I'm religious or not, I just think some people develop an understanding of evolution and dismiss thought, self understanding or real truth to how things happened and if there's a reason why. My existence is crafted from Billions of years of evolution but what happened before evolution and before man, creature, fish, tad pol or even David Hasselhoff walked this earth?

[MetalHeadz]

I will agree with you that there are a great deal of people who just to ignore what they don't understand about science, but that doesn't discredit the basis of their faith. I would think that the knowledge (or lack thereof) of a believer has no bearing on the objective truth he chooses to believe, and it makes perfect sense to me that those without faith are on average more intelligent.

If you want to live in cuckoo land that's fine.

All the same, discounting scientific evidence and fact never come into play when I choose whether or not to be "religious" as you say (I'm assuming you say religious because it's the easiest word to describe those of faith in a general manner).

Indeed I am using 'religion' very loosely and I apologise for this. It would be too hard to easily communicate otherwise however this does raise a very interesting question (off topic slightly).

We are all atheists. Christians are atheistic because they do not believe in Vishnu or Buddah or Wotan or Thor or Zeus or any other alternative God(s) worshipped in different religions. This necessarily means that every religion bar one is correct, every code, every religious doctrine bar one is completely fabricated on a false set of ideas about how we came to exist.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...72500371&hl=en

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...40634344456055

I encourage anyone interested in this debate to watch these lectures. Not only extremely entertaining but informative and insightful.

Please don't triple post -Aquatiq

[genocidal]

How about triple-posting, Face?

MetalHeadz: I don't think you know what "Atheist" means.

[Jeenyuss]

alright, the jig is up.

who's metal headz? is it saturn v again? you clever motherfucker.

[Singularity]

People sometimes forget Atheism is a religion in itself, defined as believing in something (not god in this case) and pretending nothing else can be truthful since it cannot be proven.
In some cases there are also extremist Atheists, who, like their religious counterparts, spout their ideology everywhere and do not care about other people's feelings since they are Infidels anyway, who refuse to see the light.

[Noah]

Snore, aren't you guys tired of this thread already? :sleeping:

[Mythrandir]

People sometimes forget Atheism is a religion in itself, defined as believing in something (not god in this case) and pretending nothing else can be truthful since it cannot be proven.
In some cases there are also extremist Atheists, who, like their religious counterparts, spout their ideology everywhere and do not care about other people's feelings since they are Infidels anyway, who refuse to see the light.

Oh come on, you can't just make up or stretch the definition of religion like that. Obviously there are commonalities between atheism and christianism, but one is definitely a religion, and the other definitely is not.
Atheism doesn't have any practices, it doesn't even have a set of beliefs. It is so devoid of content that there couldn't even be atheism without theism.

[Noah]

Attention, I have now seen the light!

http://www.cracked.com/article_15699...le-verses.html

This book fucking kicks ass. I can't remember laughing out loud so much from an article, ever.

It's quite simple, it's the 9 most badass bible verses, with comments.

[Bioture]

Attention, I have now seen the light!

http://www.cracked.com/article_15699...le-verses.html

This book fucking kicks ass. I can't remember laughing out loud so much from an article, ever.

It's quite simple, it's the 9 most badass bible verses, with comments.

hahahah "looks like someone bit off more than he could Jew."

[HeavenSent]

Even if I share your common opinion it still upsets smart and intellectual religious people who found something to believe in. I'm not saying you're right or wrong I'm just saying that that type of opinion does nothing but start controversy with the intelligent, fanatics, and anyone who has faith in anything other than what science tells them.

Some of the most intelligent people I know believe in evolution yet they are not foolish enough to forget that if you look at the equation we still don't know what created this earth, this universe or even matter. Why isn't mathematically and scientifically unintelligent to think that something or someone sparked a chain of events that lead to our creation.

Believing in God and Evolution can co-exist in ones interpretation, atheists and religious people alike do nothing but separate the idea that these two ideologies cannot work under one roof.

When it comes to religious debates where intelligence is attacked I will most likely side with religious people regardless if I'm religious or not, I just think some people develop an understanding of evolution and dismiss thought, self understanding or real truth to how things happened and if there's a reason why. My existence is crafted from Billions of years of evolution but what happened before evolution and before man, creature, fish, tad pol or even David Hasselhoff walked this earth?

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