American Elections '08

[MetalHeadz]

Wow, this thread has just descended into chaos.

[Cops]

Also, how do you think the UN was created? By the USA. Who do you think funds more than 80% of the UN? The USA. Why do you think the UN is even effective? The USA backs them.

Tyranny talks to itself.

I feel like I'm beating my head against a wall, I've got ignornace coming at me from left and right. Un-educated people talking politics who said they refused to engage in such a discussion, claiming Bush would win again when his general approval rating is fallen to shit (approval rating means people aren't fucking happy with him, if they're not happy with him then why would they vote for him?). Neo-Cons talking about the UN as if it's their bastard son they can abuse and only use effectively when and if they decide that it agrees with their plans.

You don't understand how the UN works or why it exists, all you know is that you pay for it thus you can either choose to listen to it or not. You know nothing of the importance of holding every country to a standard and not favouring one over the other.

I have a better chance of engaging in a discussion with a bunch of apes, you're inability to attack me on any 'real point' other than my quick jabs at you shows you how much you a) don't understand what I'm talking about or b) you're completly fucked in the head. Either or, you're some of the most un-informed motherfuckers I have ever met. Unless you attack a real point or argue why America should not be held up to any standard or why The U.N isn't important I'm fucking done with this thread, I totally understand why most people saw the long buillshit battle that would go on with Izor and just said 'fuck it, he's a) dumb b) misinformed. Peace.

[Exalt]

Yes, it never came to your mind that with some of the modern weapons, your army is rendered useless. The United States of America don't need an army anymore. They can strike back like no other country -or like any other country- when a line is crossed. No country will ever attack a peaceful United States, even if they could manage an invasion logistically. So your survival instinct, which is not only primal an barbaric, is also misplaced.

What's left is warmongering, just for the sake of it. Because you have an army to harbor the weak minded, to pay for this you send them away on plundering missions. How is that going to make your country safer? It isn't going to make your country safer. You just increase the amount of radicals because you expose more people to war and the loss that comes from it.
Allied countries are less likely to breed radicals than enemy states, especially when you treat them with respect.

your a complete moron

let me put it this way... the United States has the largest Navy in the world. The navy does a LOT of things other than fight wars, but lets not forget about the Cold War between USA and USSR. Without an army, do you honestly think half of Europe would be free of communism? The US Navy submarines did more in that little power struggle than you would EVER know.

Also, who do you think controls our nuclear arms? No one would attack us without an army you say, because we have nuclear weapons right? Who do you think maintains those weapons? How do you think we have so much political clout in telling country's like Iran that they need to cease making nuclear weapons? Or telling North Korea to stop shooting missiles at Japan?

I'll put it in simple terms for you. Do you know what nuclear deterence is? The US has ICBM submarines that contain warheads. The primary use of these submarines are to stop a nuclear war from ever happening, by being strategically placed around the world.

Now, if we had no military, who would drive these submarines?

Also, how do you think the UN was created? By the USA. Who do you think funds more than 80% of the UN? The USA. Why do you think the UN is even effective? The USA backs them.

[Exalt]

For people like me? You indoctrinated warmonger. You stupid bigot.
You must be pretty retarded, taking an underpaid job to fight for people like me. I will tell you this; if I do represent a group of people, I can tell you they give shit about you, your life or your cause.

I said people that bitch about how much money the military makes must have no idea how little the average soldier DOES make. Especially with the amount of hours they put in, you would think they would make more... but no, there is no overtime in the military.

if your black and taking this as a racial slur, your a fucking moron. I'm not racist, I live in fucking Chicago dipshit, you think I don't have friends that arn't white, or that I grew up in a fucking suburb my whole life and have never been around bad areas? Your just a fucking little rich kid that doesn't know what real life is about, so sit behind your little computer and cry over the internet all you want, but you have no clue

For your information, my father was in the Air Force for 20 years, away from me for months or even years at a time (during Desert Storm). His last mission was to Afghanistan in 2002. Don't give that bullshit about not understanding military life, I was raised in the middle of it. My father and a hell of a lot of other good men go to places like Iraq because they were ordered to and it's their job, not necessarily because they agree with the decisions made by people higher up on the food chain.

I'm not going to turn this into an Iraq debate, but I think Al Gore said it best:

"... Saddam Hussein was not the one responsible for the attack on 9/11. Maybe we shouldn't have withdrawn most of our troops from the surge in Afghanistan, where Osama bin Laden was and invade a country that didn't attack us."

I never said I liked anything about the war on terrorism Iraq bullshit, or anything like that... no one WANTS to go there

my point was that your telling izor you hope he dies over there just because he is going, like he has a choice or something? THATS what im taking offense to.

[Izor]

I dont remember him EVER having a good approval rating, but we voted him in a second time to much whining from the rest of the world.

Go ahead and tell me that the majority of Americans dont vote conservatively. Please. But when you do so just keep in mind Bush was voted in twice. GG kid

[Cops]

And if it came right down to it we'd vote bush in a third time if we could, 20% approval rating and all

really?

[Izor]

And if it came right down to it we'd vote bush in a third time if we could, 20% approval rating and all

[Vatican Assassin]

you'll have to clarify on which sides of the black lines is the land and which is the oceans. we americans like colors.

[Cops]

Winning what? Bush's approval rating is at like 20%! Do yourself a favor and shut the fuck up until your slew of neo-conservative buddies show up and agree that America has every right to do whatever it wants.

you're fucking deluded if you think you're winning anything, maybe a heart ache and some debt.



Let's play a game, you tell me where Canada is on the map and I'll laugh at you.

[Izor]

Stop putting words in my mouth, lib. I said that we do whatever we want, because we are America and no one stops us. Despite what some other libs on the internet say America's actions reflect what I believe. I'm not saying that other Americans arent pussies like the Canadians and Europeans. I'm saying that the majority of us agree with me, because clearly in our actions you can see who is winning

[Cops]

I fail to see what else can come from this conversation. You already told me everything I am trying to prove here. We do what we feel is in our best interest, and no one can or will stop us.

When you can establish that the rest of America is different than me and has the ability to listen to your 'logic' maybe I will bother some more, but until then America is more or less doing things how I like right now.

Btw, are you REALLY telling me that the US doesnt keep the UN alive with our funding? We pay more than anyone else in the UN...

I hope you get shot. Fit of Rage, Louix XV, Vatican Assassin, Genocidal, Conc, and Gran Guerrero have all either said either your logic is wrong, you're an idiot, or you're horribly misinformed (And this only took me two seconds to find!). I think there's enough proof right in front of you from your countrymen telling you that you're absolutely full of it. You don't have to be an American or Canadian, you just have to be human to realize that you're ignorant towards every single country but your own.

ROFL I just googled united nations emergency force and read the wikipedia article...all it did was stop fighting between egypt and israel or something. America pretty much single handedly won WW2 and saved all of europe from being nazis, and the best that you can come up with is that Canada SUGGESTED to the UN that they come up with some force to stop fighting between Egypt and Israel?!?!?!?

It's slightly funny you speak of the Suez Crisis, which was a conflict between Egypt, Israel, Britain and America (which for no particular reason claimed it was theirs). The Crisis was over the Suez Canal that has a great deal of money come in from ships going through the Canal. Nasser (Egyptian) took control of the Canal which was owned by the British. Nasser wanted a dam to be built and he wanted to British to pay for it, so he took control of the Canal. The crisis between Egypt, Britain, and Israel got to a boiling point and something had to be done. Lester. B Pearson proposed the UNEF (The United Nations Emergency Force) to respond to such instances where peacekeeping needs to be met.

The UNEF has responded to Rwanda, Egypt, South Korea and many other countries. The UNEF is bogged down my bureaucracy but it has helped countries fight genocide and work towards restoring peace in war torn climates.

Why should I know what the UNEF is

I guess you do what your told and shoot when your told, everything else is semantics. If you're going to be a drone and not question anything or understand the reasoning behind anything then maybe you should stop claiming that you're informed.

man we saved so many lives with those nuke bombs.

what you said to fit of rage is just one of the classiest things i've ever seen

Who are you fooling Izor, what kind of consensus do you really think you have? You're solution is that U.S can attack anything it wants because it is powerful, you mock international communities. Your lack of respect to countries is disgraceful and you pit yourself against anything that isn't American. Please Someone who is American tell me I'm wrong and that the U.S should run rampant with power. Nuking people is not a solution, fuck wad.

[Izor]

So tell me Izor, how can you pay for everything when your foreign aid is lowest and you also owe 68% of the annual budget. The problem is you do ignore what comes of the UN, it doesn't matter if reason is telling you to stop or international laws prevent you from invading foreign soil, you do it anyways.

I fail to see what else can come from this conversation. You already told me everything I am trying to prove here. We do what we feel is in our best interest, and no one can or will stop us.

When you can establish that the rest of America is different than me and has the ability to listen to your 'logic' maybe I will bother some more, but until then America is more or less doing things how I like right now.

Btw, are you REALLY telling me that the US doesnt keep the UN alive with our funding? We pay more than anyone else in the UN...

[Izor]

ROFL I just googled united nations emergency force and read the wikipedia article...all it did was stop fighting between egypt and israel or something. America pretty much single handedly won WW2 and saved all of europe from being nazis, and the best that you can come up with is that Canada SUGGESTED to the UN that they come up with some force to stop fighting between Egypt and Israel?!?!?!?

[Cops]

Japan's record on foreign aid is so abysmal (they stand at 0.18 percent of GNP, other than the United States, the lowest of all industrial Nations.(Stephen Lewis, Race Against Time)

Many member states have not paid their full dues and have cut their donations to the UN's voluntary funds. As of August 31, 2007, members' arrears to the Regular Budget topped $1,149 million, of which the United States alone owed $785 million (68% of the regular budget)

So tell me Izor, how can you pay for everything when your foreign aid is lowest and you also owe 68% of the annual budget. The problem is you do ignore what comes of the UN, it doesn't matter if reason is telling you to stop or international laws prevent you from invading foreign soil, you do it anyways.

[Izor]

Why should I know what the UNEF is just because im in the military? The entire reason the UN even exists is because of America's funding. Let the other countries of the world pay for the UN to stand up, and do you really think it would be there? Hell no. Why would they pay for it when we're clearly just going to ignore whatever comes out of it anyway? I really dont get why WE pay for it to be around. All that comes out of the UN is a bunch of pussies whining about our foreign policy and then us ignoring them

Why do I need to read a book to understand very basic concepts about the world? You're the one who thinks the UN is worth something.

btw I scored 100 on that little traveler game. Getting to level 8 I think its safe to say I can point out canada on a map Maybe I cant point out a bunch of pisant african countries and 'Indonesia' on a map, but give me some credit