American Elections '08

[MetalHeadz]

I know I probably shouldn't, but I'm going to rebut Izor's last comment.

You arent even american....do i go sticking my nose up your ass in the canadian election?

I'm not in the business of defending things that Cops says, but bro, this is truly a horrible argument. You're saying that only Americans can possess opinions about American politics and that such a notion somehow devalues any external criticism of the system? Get a grip you sensationalist emo.

I'm not trying to join any political discussion here. I'm simply stating you all are overthinking it.

My vote is simple and involves minimal research.

You're underestimating the complexity of politics here. We're not overthinking anything, you're just too stupid to understand and too apathetic to care. It's good that you exercise your vote but (without sounding too prescriptive) you should try and understand who you vote for more carefully.

I have the same belief that many people, even some on these liberal forums, do that politicians are liars anyway, shocking as that may seem to you.

Hmm, rather pessimistic.

So despite how much they come on TV saying something, I really dont believe what they're saying too much. I'm not going to pretend to know these people like I already said, because I know they're being dishonest.

You KNOW they're being dishonest? Rather a bold claim. I don't think many politicians are intentionally dishonest - some are, granted - but it's such a cliche to assume they all are.

I see no other way of expressing my personal views than by voting for the party that best represents my own opinions on major issues.

What are your republican views by the way?

You acknowledge yourself that you are no expert in American politics. You even resent those who seem to express more knowledge than you on the matter. You then act like some officinardo, claiming to ideologically similar to the republicans. But how do you know what the republicans stand for if you take this rather lack lustre approach to politics. I bet you couldn't tell me more than 3 ideological differences between the republicans and the democrats. My guess is that your parents vote republican so you have a traditional predisposition to vote that way. I bet you also conform to the misconception that the republicans are more patriotic or have Americas best interests at heart. In other words, you vote republican not for political reasons (your a self-confessed political fool) but for sentimental and traditional reasons.

Re-evaluate.

[Cops]

Things I say, clearly you're just hot headed over me pointing out your similarities to religious fundamentalists or your douchey approach to anyone religious.

If Izor is guilty of stereotyping presidential candidates (and hoping that they are exactly reflective of his own conservative-gun-toting-religious-Canada bashing ass)then you're guilty of stereotyping religious people.

[MetalHeadz]

Things I say, clearly you're just hot headed over me pointing out your similarities to religious fundamentalists or your douchey approach to anyone religious.

If Izor is guilty of stereotyping presidential candidates then you're guilty of stereotyping religious people.

Sigh, I just can't win either way.

[Cops]

Sigh, I just can't win either way.

Pretty fucking much, you're right about him being a complete retard about politics and his approach to voting but you also burned my fucking bridges and pretty much everyone else's bridge (assuming they don't think faith determines your intelligence) by judging their intelligence based on their belief in god.

I hate Izor for being a complete idiot, but at least he doesn't know he's an idiot. It's not his fault, you're a lot fucking smarter than he is, start showing it. You've got a long fucking-way-to-go before I will ever let that intelligence based on faith shit go. Atheist superiority is just as much bullshit as religious superiority.

[Mythrandir]

I hate Izor for being a complete idiot, but at least he doesn't know he's an idiot. It's not his fault, you're a lot fucking smarter than he is, start showing it. You've got a long fucking-way-to-go before I will ever let that intelligence based on faith shit go. Atheist superiority is just as much bullshit as religious superiority, that's exactly why I'm agnostic.

With you appreciating the relativistic approach to issues, you probably will acknowledge that you are professing agnostic superiority, right? It's either that, or your last statement is a non-sequitur. At least, that's how I would interpret it.

and on topic:
I do not actively follow the elections, but occasionally I read some article about the whole deal. When the elections are actually close, I'll start to care more.

[Cops]

I do not believe in any religious or non religious superiority, I believe everyone should be allowed to believe in what they want to believe in as long as they don't act like cunts about it.

My own personal views on being agnostic are only relative to my inability to know anything or prove anything, I do not push this belief on people, I'd rather they believe, don't believe or sit on the fence as long as they don't make rash claims about their intelligence. I was only saying I am agnostic, this isn't because atheist superiority or fundamentalist superiority has forced me to be bipartisan about religion or my belief in a higher power, it's because this is what makes sense to me, right now at least. I'm sorry if it seemed like I professed agnostic superiority, I do not believe in religious superiority of any kind.

edit: yeah man you're right, I flubbed up. I editied the post, I see why someone would interpret agnostic superirority by adding 'tht's exactly why I'm agnostic' to the end of my post. I guess both groups just bog me down and I didn't think before I typed.

[Cops]

edit: meant to edit a post

[gran guerrero]

someone tell me how to change party affiliations so I can vote for Ron Paul in Florida primaries...

[Mythrandir]

Cool, thanks for the clarification. My position is atheism not out of superiority, but simply because I believe that to be the truth as far as we know it, and I'm sure that religious people think likewise. And even agnostics feel that their position is the best approach - though I have yet to meet agnostic bigots.

[Zerzera]

My vote is simple and involves minimal research.

I think people like you should just stay out of discussions of the educated people.

EDIT: No, lol, really. What the fuck is minimal research? You go by your gut and call that research? I didn't even know you were that retarded Izor.

[Exalt]

as long as Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani don't win then I'll be happy

and if Hillary wins this election then its time to start thinking about moving to Canada, she is by far the worst canidate on the board

[Mythrandir]

as long as Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani don't win then I'll be happy

and if Hillary wins this election then its time to start thinking about moving to Canada, she is by far the worst canidate on the board

What do you think is so bad about Hillary that you'd consider emigrating if she got into office?

[Pandagirl!]

Meh, I was going by what I learned in my government class. The fact that our text books are from 1998 might have something to do with the info being wrong. And my teacher is an imbecile.

[Cops]

I think people like you should just stay out of discussions of the educated people.

EDIT: No, lol, really. What the fuck is minimal research? You go by your gut and call that research? I didn't even know you were that retarded Izor.

He votes on party affiliation, not whether the candidate is right for the job. LOL

[Cops]

Cool, thanks for the clarification. My position is atheism not out of superiority, but simply because I believe that to be the truth as far as we know it, and I'm sure that religious people think likewise. And even agnostics feel that their position is the best approach - though I have yet to meet agnostic bigots.

Most agnostic people I know are pretty cool about religion and atheism. I use to be an atheist but as I matured my stance changed from 'there's no god' to 'there might be a god', I guess if I can' prove either then sitting on the fence allows me the ability to not say yes or no. I know overwhelming amount of people who label themselves as Christians and Catholics yet they're far from it, they might believe in god but that's as far as it goes. I know what it's like to be labeled an atheist and get shit on from religious people (I was suspended several times in grade 9-10 for wearing a bad religion shirt that has a slash through a cross). It was a band shirt first and forth most, but even though it was a public high school the teachers were still keen to make it an issue. The school was predominantly Muslim, royst apparently went there and can attest to the amount of religious and racial influence that school has.

I see the shit religious people take for believing in something and having faith in something above themselves, I see atheists get shit on for refuting to believe in a higher power. The word atheist has a bad spin to it, which isn't a bad idea or word at all. I see both groups of people, and neither makes complete sense to me but I'm glad people believe in something whether it's no god or a god, or multiple gods!