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[Squeezer]

Reason why it was rated pg-13

Anyone can buy tickets to a PG-13 movie regardless of age.

from answers.com

A trademark used for a movie rating indicating that admission will be granted to persons of all ages but that parental guidance is suggested in the case of children under the age of 13.

[gran guerrero]

Anyone can buy tickets to a PG-13 movie regardless of age.

not the fault of the ppl who applied this rating then?

And I don't know about seattle, but I for sure know that are places that don't allow that unless a parent is with them.

If the parent is taking 8 year olds to a movie that obviously is not suited to the kid's emotional level, then that fault is left to the parents then isnt it?

and isn't 13 suppose to be the age of puberty, starting the path to maturity?

[Epinephrine]

I saw Aliens when I was 5, and The Untouchables when I was 7.... shrug, no big deal, although I was scared of riding in elevators for a while.

[Squeezer]

not the fault of the ppl who applied this rating then?

And I don't know about seattle, but I for sure know that are places that don't allow that unless a parent is with them.

If the parent is taking 8 year olds to a movie that obviously is not suited to the kid's emotional level, then that fault is left to the parents then isnt it?

and isn't 13 suppose to be the age of puberty, starting the path to maturity?

I still remember seeing The Sixth Sense on my own before I was 13. We used to be able to get into R movies before I turned 18. I agree it's the MPAA's fault and I would have given it an R-rating, but that's for them to decide just the same as it's up to me to decide whether I would take a child. Like I said, I personally wouldn't bring a child but I leave it up to the parent. The fact still remains that any kid could legally (if that's the right word) enter the theater and watch TDK with or without parental consent.

And I was far from "mature" at 13 :P

[gran guerrero]

I saw Aliens when I was 5, and The Untouchables when I was 7.... shrug, no big deal, although I was scared of riding in elevators for a while.

that's the point. Some people will be emotional scarred, and others won't

the solution isn't to hide it and sugarcoat it and not show it to our kids.

the solution is for parents to properly educate their kids some fucking moral values and the difference between what is fake and what is reality and how they can fucking cope with it before they realize it too late and end up mentally fucked.

EDIT: squeez, I didn't say mature at 13, I said puberty. the beginning path to maturity

[Squeezer]

that's the point. Some people will be emotional scarred, and others won't

the solution isn't to hide it and sugarcoat it and not show it to our kids.

the solution is for parents to properly educate their kids some fucking moral values and the difference between what is fake and what is reality and how they can fucking cope with it before they realize it too late and end up mentally fucked.

I think you and I agree on that. I don't think that TDK is age appropriate for some of the kids I saw in the theater though (at a 3:00 am showing nonetheless).

There's some terrifying shit in this movie. Like I said, I wouldn't take a kid to Cloverfield either.

[gran guerrero]

I think you and I agree on that. I don't think that TDK is age appropriate for some of the kids I saw in the theater though (at a 3:00 am showing nonetheless).

ok if a young kid is at a theater at 3 am, then there's obviously something wrong with this picture.

I wish some people would just listen to common sense than anything else.

I worked at a movie theater, and If I saw a kid buying a ticket 4 a 3 am showing, i wouldn't sell it to him. Am I a douche to the kid? Most probably, but the fucker's got a whole life ahead of him to watch the movie, brat can wait.

Unless he was going to die the next day. Then I might reconsider

[DankNuggets]

Random thoughts on glorified violence and parents' need to instill morals

Violence and morbid curiosity are part of human nature. I'm fairly certain that the oddballs are the ones that actually go out of their way to avoid harming others/animals/things or never think these thoughts. Most of us learn that these curiosities and urges are wrong and should be suppressed during the ages of 5-15. By the time you're 15, you should be able to understand that torturing an animal to death is wrong. But at 5, kids might just find it entertaining. During this development, most of the stuff they do is going to be outside parental supervision (because on some level they know it's wrong, but they don't know why yet). Usually, they understand why it's wrong after they've been caught and their parents punish them if they do it right. However, if they don't get caught, they're unlikely to come to realize what they're doing is wrong unless they do something really bad.

The problem comes when parents either don't catch their kids doing bad things, or don't punish them. Not all kids need punishment to understand things are wrong, but it certainly helps when their minds aren't developed enough to fully understand right and wrong. These parents who take their kids to violent movies, allow them to play violent video games, and glorify gang culture fail at the critical moment in their child's lives: the point where they negatively respond to such actions in front of their children. You might even have a talk with your kid after the movie (imagine that from a kid's perspective - gag) but they really aren't going to believe you saying things like "The joker is a bad guy. When he blows up buildings, he's hurting people. He has mental problems that keep him from acting normal." If you immediately say things like "Wow, that was cool" or act really impressed with the violence on screen. WE know the difference, it's hard to tell if a child does. The fact is, if the movie is appealing to 20 yr olds, it's probably not going to appeal to kids in the same way. Yeah, drug use and sexuality usually go straight over kids heads, but it's the violence that they get. They may not understand that in movies it's cool to punch people, and they're surely more likely to do it if it seem cool in a movie.

I'm not saying shelter kids forever, but it's pretty important to make sure they know the difference between right and wrong before you allow them to watch movies like TDK. Yeah, it doesn't show the pencil going into the mans brain, him in unbelievably pain, and ultimately dying on the floor. However, those images would probably do a hell of a lot to prevent kids from emulating that sceen. Hell, if I were a kid, that would be my favorite part of the movie, because it's presented as funny and cool. People listened to him after that. Because the movie doesn't address the consequence, and the parents probably aren't going to either, the kid never gets the message. he just sees a cool scene in a movie, and it's a matter of time before he becomes more and more desensitized to random acts of violence. Fuck, I got into way more fights in elementary school than i ever did in highschool. Simply put, kids that age are prone to violence, and when it comes up they should be taught that it's wrong. And nowhere does TDK promote non-violence. It's entertaining BECAUSE of the violence. It sucks that that's what we like as a society, but it's not what I want my kids to grow up wanting to see.

[gran guerrero]

And nowhere does TDK promote non-violence. It's entertaining BECAUSE of the violence. It sucks that that's what we like as a society, but it's not what I want my kids to grow up wanting to see.

This is where I disagree.

As an avid fan of batman since I was a little kid, I can tell you and anyone else who knows batman can tell you that batman tries hard every night to avoid as much violence as he can.

The Joker is the character that brings out the bad side in batman

Therefore it is a constant mind struggle for him to see what is right and what is wrong. In the end Batman fails to see Joker's view, and continues his righteous code of not killing his enemies even if it means that they really need to die.

[Troll King]

That may be true about the Batman character, but it's hard to argue that comes across in the film.

[gran guerrero]

meh that's why it's a movie.

If you fail to understand that, then you fail and you should have your brain taken away from you.

(not speaking to you tk personally, it was a general statement)

[Troll King]

That's my point. Danknugget's comment that you were replying to was specifically referring to the movie but you took it out of that context. I'm just trying to bring you back into it.

[DankNuggets]

This is where I disagree.

As an avid fan of batman since I was a little kid, I can tell you and anyone else who knows batman can tell you that batman tries hard every night to avoid as much violence as he can.

The Joker is the character that brings out the bad side in batman

Therefore it is a constant mind struggle for him to see what is right and what is wrong. In the end Batman fails to see Joker's view, and continues his righteous code of not killing his enemies even if it means that they really need to die.

totally

i agree that batman's character is generally one of your typical "good guy." he goes out of his way to inflict the least amount of violence necessary for him to carry out his work. However, it's also well known that he's a vigilante, and he still uses a lot of violence (in the form of martial arts though) to do his job.

also, the point about the joker bringing out the bad in batman is spot on too

but this does bring it back to the whole point of this particular take on the batman story: the DARK knight. It's a pun, and one of the meanings of dark here is that it's a depressing, violent turn for him.

In general, batman is a wholesome character that kids enjoy. TDK, however, is dark, and that's where I don't think it fits the role of kid-friendly movie. Actually, i think that's why i saw so many kids, because the parents didn't realize it wasn't going to be your typical batman movie.

[gran guerrero]

yeah but to understand that concept at such a young age is kind of confusing to kids.

What we see is a mental aspect of that shit and we analyze it to no end.

What they see is... batman batman BATMAN!!!

[phata$$]

Kids are seeing Joker plant C4 in a hospital and put a pencil through someone's eye, then cheering because it was cool. If you don't think this movie promoted violence, then that's just plain ignorance.