Texas to criminalize sodomy.

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Homosexuality is not a choice. It is an abnormality and we need to treat it as an abnormality - this does not mean we deny LGBTs rights, treat them differently than other human beings, etc. It is simply an acknowledgment that their lives goes against the very basic idea of propagating a species. Or would someone rather argue that we can impregnate a male through buttfucking?

I dunno about that Bio...I mean...if I was born a chick, I would defiantely be a Lesbian, of which is considered Homosexual. That would also be my choice as well. In fact I think most chicks that are bi or lesbian make that decision for themselves. So to say it is not a choice, I would disagree with you 100%.

If it is not a choice can you give me 100% proof that is not a choice and back that with scientific data as a result? Or is this spewed fom the fairy tale some call fact from the Bible?

I love lesbians...as long as they are nice looking ones

[Jerome Scuggs]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._TexasHomosexuality is not a choice. It is an abnormality and we need to treat it as an abnormality - this does not mean we deny LGBTs rights, treat them differently than other human beings, etc. It is simply an acknowledgment that their lives goes against the very basic idea of propagating a species. Or would someone rather argue that we can impregnate a male through buttfucking?

this is pretty interesting, because I know two dudes who I met very recently and they're both... very, very, confused. one of them is a dude who was gay before i met him, but when i was hanging out with him he definitely ducked out for an hour or two to bang a chick. apparently he does this. the other dude is the opposite, i'm not close friends with him but he's dated alot of chicks who i've known, and suddenly one day he lets a gay friend of mine fuck him in the ass, and now they are butt buddies. and no, my friends aren't all gay, there are just a ton of them here in shreveport. but these recent episodes got me thinking, because it's not like your genes just flip the gay switch on and off randomly through life.

[project dragon]

Maybe they are bisexual

[gran guerrero]

We are all gay, we have the impulse to be gay. It's the level of how well you control your impulsive nature that determines whether your flaming homosexual or completely straight

Coincidentally, those whose impulses are stronger than the rest but have a strict belief set that says otherwise will end up being very homophobic.

Generally, if you happen to know someone who is homosexual (friend/family member), your beliefs towards homosexuality is quite accepting of their choice to be gay, and it shouldn't bother you.

[Guest]

A common argument used by the pro-gay movement. Sadly if we were to use the same logic then it would be morally OK for people to eat their own children - just like animals do, or kill each other out of amusement - just like animals do, or roll around in their own shit - just like animals do.
I'm also pretty sure that most, if not all, of those animals that display homosexual behaviour do so for non-sexual motives such as carnal displays of social status/domination, and still actively pursue procreation with the opposite sex.

i think you may have misunderstood me. i was asking about it being natural or not (not asking about morality). since homosexuality seems to occur naturally in other animals/species, would you say that it is in fact natural in homo sapiens?

[kthx]

rofl yeah this thread is fucking hilarious. Hey straight guy who dates lots of girls, want me to put my cock in your asshole. I can totally see that kind of thing happening all the time naturally in the world.

[Pressure Drop]

what about sterile ppl lets discriminate them some for not pumping out more babies! they kinda like gays with their abnormalities lets hate on them some too ...

cuase thats what this world needs, there is a mass baby shortage !! we need moar . quick

gays going to ruin the human race and they cant hold down a job as well as anyone else as you know all they do is looking at your bum all day and they dont contribute to society like the rest of us ... cant think of a single gay person making any contribution at all

Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone elses opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation.

ANYHOW the fact that there are laws against 2 consenting adults sexual preference is ludicrous in any country let alone ones with a good level of human rights.

[Tigron-X]

this is pretty interesting, because I know two dudes who I met very recently and they're both... very, very, confused. one of them is a dude who was gay before i met him, but when i was hanging out with him he definitely ducked out for an hour or two to bang a chick. apparently he does this. the other dude is the opposite, i'm not close friends with him but he's dated alot of chicks who i've known, and suddenly one day he lets a gay friend of mine fuck him in the ass, and now they are butt buddies. and no, my friends aren't all gay, there are just a ton of them here in shreveport. but these recent episodes got me thinking, because it's not like your genes just flip the gay switch on and off randomly through life.

Why would you expect it to be so black and white?

Consider how there are different levels of autism.

[H.M.S. Stargazer]

I win thread of the day award.

[Pressure Drop]

I win thread of the day award.

moar like troll of the day award

[Fit of Rage]

mmm... I love to eat children after having sex with other men in their butts

but here I have to draw the fucking line, i am way too tired to engage in bestiality, get your fucking facts straight

[TagMor]

No amount of therapy is going to change your sexual orientation.

Not true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_therapy
It is quite ignorant of you to suggest that external influences have no effect on sexual orientation. I could write pages listing the various examples of external dynamics influencing one's sexuality.
Female rape victims often gain homosexual tendencies as a direct result of their ordeal.
Men, and to a lesser extent women, can often adopt homosexual tendencies for a temporary period whilst incarcerated.
Mind-altering drugs can temporarily influence one's sexuality.
Lack of an adequate father-figure can often lead to homosexual tendencies in males.

they kinda like gays with their abnormalities lets hate on them some too ...

only person hating on gays in this thread is kthx. A person can be critical of the AIDS virus without hating on the AIDS victim.

i think you may have misunderstood me. i was asking about it being natural or not (not asking about morality). since homosexuality seems to occur naturally in other animals/species, would you say that it is in fact natural in homo sapiens?

I understood you fine, I merely skipped ahead to the core of your question. Yes homosexual bahaviour does seem to exist in some fauna (although we cant determine whether the motives of such actions are sexual in nature or not, evolution would suggest they aren't)
But does this have any relevance whatsoever in legitimizing human homosexual behaviour? As I demonstrated in the earlier post, no it doesn't.

[Fit of Rage]

Do you even read the things you cite?

Can Some Gay Men and Lesbians Change Their Sexual Orientation?

In May 2001, Dr. Robert Spitzer presented "Can Some Gay Men and Lesbians Change Their Sexual Orientation? 200 Participants Reporting a Change from Homosexual to Heterosexual Orientation", a study of attempts to change homosexual orientation through ex-gay ministries and conversion therapy, at the American Psychiatric Association's convention in New Orleans. The study was partly a response to the APA's 2000 statement cautioning against clinical attempts at changing homosexuality, and was aimed at determining whether such attempts were ever successful rather than how likely it was that change would occur for any given individual. Spitzer wrote that some earlier studies provided evidence for the effectiveness of therapy in changing sexual orientation, but that all of them suffered from methodological problems.[2]

He reported that after intervention, 66% of the men and 44% of the women had achieved "Good Heterosexual Functioning", which he defined as requiring five criteria (being in a loving heterosexual relationship during the last year, overall satisfaction in emotional relationship with a partner, having heterosexual sex with the partner at least a few times a month, achieving physical satisfaction through heterosexual sex, and not thinking about having homosexual sex more than 15% of the time while having heterosexual sex). He found that the most common reasons for seeking change were lack of emotional satisfaction from gay life, conflict between same-sex feelings and behavior and religious beliefs, and desire to marry or remain married.[2][78] This paper was widely reported in the international media and taken up by politicians in the United States, Germany, and Finland, and by conversion therapists.[2]

In 2003, Spitzer published the paper in the Archives of Sexual Behavior. Spitzer's study has been criticized on numerous ethical and methodological grounds. Gay activists argued that the study would be used by conservatives to undermine gay rights. Researchers observed that the study sample consisted of people who sought treatment primarily because of their religious beliefs, and who may therefore have been motivated to claim that they had changed even if they had not, or to overstate the extent to which they might have changed. That participants had to rely upon their memories of what their feelings were before treatment may have distorted the findings. It was impossible to determine whether any change that occurred was due to the treatment because it was not clear what it involved and there was no control group. Claims of change may have reflected a change in self-labelling rather than of underlying orientation or attractions, and particpants may have been bisexual before treatment. Follow-up studies were not conducted.[2] Spitzer stressed the limitations of his study. Spitzer said that the number of gay people who could successfully become heterosexual was likely to be "pretty low", and conceded that his subjects were "unusually religious."[79]

Poor science at best. At worst, a biased study to alter an already established fact that homosexuality is 100% (yes, 100%) genetic.

[TagMor]

Do you even read the things you cite?

I cited it in response to Tigron-X's claim that NO therapy has EVER changed one's sexual orientation.

an already established fact that homosexuality is 100% (yes, 100%) genetic.

Citation?

[Exalt]

Bestiality is legal (or at least not expressly outlawed) in these U.S. states:

Lots of states/

Ok, so what about animal cruelty? I'm pretty sure bestiality would fall under that spectrum of the law, correct?