Cloakers Ruining TW. Not "Balance"

[Fluffz]

whats good about our weasel:
size/speed/rotation
cloak
stealth
xradar
lv3 bullets
ability to buy decoys
ability to buy a rocket or port(tho this would make it too powerfull if you cant apply different port times to differnt ships)


whats bad:
they need a repel (maybe a smaller one if possible)
multifire
fast reload time especially when uncloaked
lack of buyable xradar for other ships with a serious energy drain (this has become urgent because it realy is impossible to go for high bounty these days without being xed. also we dont need another reason to play jav. make it expensive)


and this comes from a pub terr player, the pray of any x as soon as you get beyond 200 bty. i dont whine about them they are as easy to kill as before and would be more danger in a wb most of the time. it is defiantly more lame(sp? ha) to mine tube or suck around on top than to hunt these people in a weasel. in fact its a nice addition for the terr to play with. if i dont want to be killed by them they wont succeed but if i want to play with them on the other hand they have a solid chance to get me.
As for bounty hunting, if you snipe trough a hole, waiting to get 100 bty you deserve to be xed. however, like suggested there should be a buyable xradar. not for levis of course, burn levis burn

and while we are at it, add bricks.

[Dameon Angell]

Well, this is interesting.

1. These settings have been like this for a while now. I don't know why this thread is up already.

2. I've played in pub, and based in pub, dueled in pub, and weaseled in pub. And lets see..

I don't get X'ed 9 out of 10 times. I think there are about 3 tops in an arena unless some clan or group of people are trying to be funny or something with a freq of weasels.

When you have an uncloaked weasel, its faster than a levi, but then the 2nd slowest ship still, in the game. And when uncloaked you generally get gang raped by the ships around you. With all your equipment on, the recharge is slow, which is good.

What is boils down to is how good is your terrier? The Weasel doesn't ruin anything. What I keep hearing from everyone is "Oh, I get killed by the weasel alot, lets ban it, lets change it, lets remove it." [sarcasm]Well, oh, look. I got killed by a spider, shall we change and remove that? How about the terrier, oh no, we've been killed by a terrier, lets remove that! Lets have it so we're all sharks without weapons only being able to repel each other.[/sarcasm]

[Suzie-Q.]

I was xed LOADS today,at least 25 times, i didnt care....

Lets have it so we're all sharks without weapons only being able to repel each other.[/sarcasm]

i actaully cant wait for that day. and have like mines around the palce so its like a tug-of-war :greedy:

[Tone]

Well, this is interesting.

1. These settings have been like this for a while now. I don't know why this thread is up already.

2. I've played in pub, and based in pub, dueled in pub, and weaseled in pub. And lets see..

I don't get X'ed 9 out of 10 times. I think there are about 3 tops in an arena unless some clan or group of people are trying to be funny or something with a freq of weasels.

When you have an uncloaked weasel, its faster than a levi, but then the 2nd slowest ship still, in the game. And when uncloaked you generally get gang raped by the ships around you. With all your equipment on, the recharge is slow, which is good.

What is boils down to is how good is your terrier? The Weasel doesn't ruin anything. What I keep hearing from everyone is "Oh, I get killed by the weasel alot, lets ban it, lets change it, lets remove it." [sarcasm]Well, oh, look. I got killed by a spider, shall we change and remove that? How about the terrier, oh no, we've been killed by a terrier, lets remove that! Lets have it so we're all sharks without weapons only being able to repel each other.[/sarcasm]

BS, with a spider, you are playing with it and battling it. with an X, all you do is try to play the game and you see a flash and explosion and dont even see who killed you unless you look at the kill messege. it ruins every fun kind of skill or tatic you try to do and see how long you can do it. its basically not a bad analogy to say its just as annoying as something like getting disconnected all of the time

[Tone]

listen all i do(IN SUBSPACE), is i play trenchwars, many different ships, doing many different things.... and i constantly see a flash, then an explosion, then a Killed By: some weasel.

its the same thing as if the game had a bug in it and your ship just spontainously explodes for no reason. theres no difference, all they do is shoot then cloak, shoot then cloak. you dont see shit, you dont duel shit, you dont battle shit. your just trying to play the game, see how good you can be, and your ship keeps exploding

[Dameon Angell]

1. You have horrible luck if you get weaseled every 5 seconds.
2. The average trencher who I know does not get weaseled as much as you do.
3. You really need a good terr on your team to protect you in base.

Wait... cross that. Just a terr who knows how to press the 'end' key.

[Tone]

1. You have horrible luck if you get weaseled every 5 seconds.
2. The average trencher who I know does not get weaseled as much as you do.
3. You really need a good terr on your team to protect you in base.

Wait... cross that. Just a terr who knows how to press the 'end' key.

if you ask me, the idea of having a 'pure pub' to remove one ship...and then choosing levi over a ship that doesnt do anything but ruin other peoples experience for pleausre and cant even be seen at all, that makes no sense. youd think its a no brainer that if youd have a pub with one ship removed, it would be X

[Troll King]

I think this is just a symptom of other problems that have affected our pubs, namely the number of terriers that don't check x radar and the lack of communication between players on the same freq.

[Tone]

I think this is just a symptom of other problems that have affected our pubs, namely the number of terriers that don't check x radar and the lack of communication between players on the same freq.

i assure you, it is not that, there are really tons more since the change, and whats 1 to 3 terriers going to do anyway? they dont cover every ship and go around protecting you.

this is not the case at all if other players read this post most will agree,,

[Tone]

this is a flash and an explosion -- thats it nothing else -- a flash an explosion, regularly, several times a playing session being considered as 'balanced' and 'part of the game'. think about that a min

[Ezor]

You really need a good terr on your team to protect you in base.

Even Terriers don't stand a chance against the little bastards. The old settings were fine. The forward velocity of shots is too high and the energy recharge speed is too high, so the ship basically screams "Climb aboard for easy kills, even against good players!" They really don't bother me, because I've never been killed by a pub Weasel, but I'm sick of the bitching.

[Stultus]

this is not the case at all if other players read this post most will agree,,

Here's one who doesn't. *raises hand*

What problem do you have with being killed by something unseen (to 4 ships, I stress), anyway? Is it a matter of injured pride? To quote Sarien from a previous thread on this subject, "It's a fucking spaceship game, not a goddamn samurai duel."

I play every ship in pub about evenly, and I can't say weasels bother me in the least; they really are not exceedingly difficult to counteract, as you seem to think.

See how much damage you can inflict while dodging lev bombs, jav bombs, bullets of every hue and terriers with five times your speed, and then complain. Thanks.

[Kontrolz]

Dameon, you cloak alllll the time, you like them, no surpise you stick up for them when they basically become the best ship in the game. The problem is that these new settings have set the ship above the rest, like pure said, a fairly new x can easily kill a vet terr in the base with ease a lot of the time. Because the terr can't take on the cloaker as it used to this increases the amount of javs you see in pubs (especially pure pub which was alerady horrible), thus, creating more teamkilling and ?cheater calls and annoyance overall, down the cloakers! I say just make those small assholes big again and everyone will be happy...besides the lame cloakers

[Tone]

Here's one who doesn't. *raises hand*

What problem do you have with being killed by something unseen (to 4 ships, I stress), anyway? Is it a matter of injured pride? To quote Sarien from a previous thread on this subject, "It's a fucking spaceship game, not a goddamn samurai duel."

I play every ship in pub about evenly, and I can't say weasels bother me in the least; they really are not exceedingly difficult to counteract, as you seem to think.

See how much damage you can inflict while dodging lev bombs, jav bombs, bullets of every hue and terriers with five times your speed, and then complain. Thanks.

I feel i have to repeat myself. you play the fuckin game, and your ship just explodes, over a dozen times per playing session. you dont see shit. you dont do shit, your ship just explodes and you see a flash thats all. you are playing the game and your ship just explodes. you dont even know who the fuck killed you unless the killed by messege stays up long enough.

You see the other ships, you play the other ships, they are a part of the game...but with this, all it is is a flash and your ship explodes and you dont even know who killed you. its just like as if there was a bug in the game and your ship just exploded, theres really no difference, except someones behind it to get pleasure out of ruining your experience, just for shits and kicks

You dont even see the ship that killed you

You dont even see the ship that killed you

You dont even see the ship that killed you

You dont even see the ship that killed you

You dont even see the ship that killed you

You dont even see the ship that killed you

You dont even see the ship that killed you

how does this make any sense?

[Tone]

can i program every one of your PC games to make you suddenly die or lose for no reason and tell you that "It's a fucking game, not a goddamn samurai duel."