Weasel Nerf'd

[CloudHelmut]

I really don't understand Pure Hatred, why you complain about javs but think everyone should have sucked it up about the weasel. Maybe there should be some changes to the jav? Or are you willing to live with it because it's in some Trench Wars Bible?

So are you complaining that the weasels were changed or that noone made YOUR suggested changes? I would agree that TK'ing javs are a bit of a problem. I've watched one moron sitting in the FR trying to make a shot- hits it maybe 3/10 and racks up at least 5 TKs. The obvious thing I suppose would be to weaken the area effect damage. I guess it would be sacrilege to take out the bounce - maybe in the pubs we could make the javs green up to get the bounce bomb? That way newbs may never even find out about it.



Anyhoo, if we are all throwing out suggestions here's mine:

Get rid of pub settings- leave levs in. To calm dickhead solo-lt's/javs, take out private channels and kick anyone who gets too many TKs/5 minutes. I'm not sure how we would insulate sharks from this rule but honestly some sharks really are dumb about mine placement too.

To keep the pubs "useful" registered squad leaders/assistants could perhaps still be allowed to create private teams for practice and recruiting.



PS-I've always found a WB was best for LT hunting. Shift in and snap the shot. Experience LTs drivers check their x-radar alot and a single red hit means the weasel has to either run away or uncloak into a real dogfight.

editted to add a pompous retort:

With these settings most players will get one or two shots in before they die.

That's because most players suck. I never cloak when I weasel- I mainly weasel only to hunt cloakers. Trust me I get plenty more than 2 shots off. B)

[PH]

The basers (read: the players that matter in the pure pubs), or at least the ones I've talked to, don't have a problem with the Weasels. The thing they, and I, have a problem with is the inexperienced Javelins that don't know how to calculate bomb bounces or trajectories. Taking the Weasel away has not slowed them down. They still try to fire blindly into base without a single blue dot around. They still miss the holes with 9 out of 10 shots. They still rack up TK's and litter the screen with apologetic yellow text. When "sry" is the most frequently used word in team chat, something's fucked. This was approached from the wrong angle. Period. Give us back the big Weasel so we can have some form of defense. With these settings most players will get one or two shots in before they die. And this is supposed to be fair and balanced? What's next? Oh, I know, let's make bricks and Thor's hammers greenable and turn this into Extreme Games II!

[Theif of Time]

The problem when it comes to publics was not the spawn but how it could take down terriers easily and effectively make publics unstable.

I am one of the weasels who does that- sneaks into base and essentially sows dissension. I occasionally am able to get a terrier unawares, half the time I get killed by a jav bomb (weasels are so weak a jav bomb even near them kills), half of the time which is a tk (But I know I'm going to get tked, its usually hitting an enemy in base anyway), the rest of the time I fire off a shot, kill a spider or wb, and everyone in base comes after me. What this does is lures them away from defending the entrance ergo allowing my team to get in.
I don't see how taking out the base terrier destabilises the pub. It adds to the pressure, sure, but it also gives the other team a way to get into base and take the fight into flagroom. It stops the campers camping, cos they've got to move about.

[Subjugation]

If it's a problem that only affects the lowest common denominators of the zone then I don't see it as a problem at all.

pub is around for reasons other than basing. i could be wrong, cuz i don't intend to speak for the designers, but if you want strictly leet basing, there's already an arena for that. there's also an arena for wb's who are hardcore snipers. pub is like...a recreational league. people who aren't super serious and just want to have fun improving their wb elim skills without having to wait for an elim to start shouldn't have to worry about the bottom feeder x's who just trying and piss people off.

i mean, you make my point right there....if it's only affecting the lowest common denominator, it's no problem. so it should be no problem giving the x more balance so the newby lamers can't abuse it.

[Adman]

rodge rabbit gtfo off of leagues and fix the pub

PUBS ARE STAGNANT.

[Adman]

pub is entirely fucked. basers on play in pure pubs, the rest are filled with wb spawning, and lts.

This segregation is fucking bs, put it all back into the melting pot and start this shit over again. because it's fucked up...

Go back to the original settings and the castle VI map

maybe not that map but the one without anti lev blocks and original levi weasel settings, not the small pos we have now... Maybe instead of whining about leagues we should get pub working properly again.

And fuck pure pub you whiny bitches about lts. chase them and hunt them, it's part of the game, if you don't like go to dsb or Eg.

Peace

[Subjugation]

how does it assist lt's from runnign wild? and besides, they already corrected the lt issue with pure pubs.

I don't understand why you want the weasels to have such a big advantage.

[Kolar]

Weasels are not an effective means of controlling levi terriers as they're in motion most of the time, not defending a base or focusing on multiple targets (and most do check with X-radar) as a Base Terrier would and Weasels still can sneak up on spawning levis. Maybe.. logically... not having Warbirds killed every 5 seconds without some kind of personal defense.. at least not as much (actually caring about basing) would help them track and hunt down LTs.

Spawning will always be a problem, we can't force people to base or do what we want so spawning is a moot topic. We can encourage basing as it is the primary focus of the publics by insurting settings, rules ect.. to make it better and more fun. Weasel can fit into basing but you have to take a serious look at balancing it within that type of game play, not just listing off ships that have X-radar... To me, the ship, its settings can goto hell right now because if the 'weasel lovers' (what am I supposed to call you guys anyways?) are not willing to bring it into basing then it has no place affecting the public arenas.


Edit: Before you want to rant on again-

Answer this:

1:how did Weasels keep the levi terrier population down or in check?
2:What do Team killing javs have to do with the Weasels? if there is no connection why mention it here?

[PH]

All of this "you're catering to WBs" is bull. Publics are there for basing, take control of the flag and this ship in that scenario was making that difficult and boring.

No. Would you like to see what you guys have catered to?



Two fucking thumbs up, not only can WB's spawn 'til their heart's content, you've also assisted LT's in running wild. Publics are not there for basing, at least not anymore, because you removed a good method of dealing with an ACTUAL problem, and a BIG one, that basers face. But I guess controlling a flag with blue bombs knocking holy hell out of you is less "difficult" and "boring" than having to actually communicate with your team and keep the flag room safe from a few relatively harmless Weasels.

EDIT: I've still heard nothing about the teamkilling javs that continue to run rampant despite the crippled Weasels. The LT's are pretty much free to do as they please in non-pure pubs, and I don't see much happening with the javs in the pure ones. The learning experience in pubs is dead. Good job, staff.

[Kolar]

The problem with the weasel was its power coupled with its stealthly ability. The problem when it comes to publics was not the spawn but how it could take down terriers easily and effectively make publics unstable. Yes, it's easy to say then you've got a crappy terrier or you're camping but for all public arenas you're not always going to have a good one or even a stable freq. What would random, unstoppable and unseen death make people want to do? 1: ESC 6, 2:ESC Q or in general become so pissed off they delete continuum entirely.

With the new settings you can get into the base, get a good kill with both cloak and stealth and still make off to recharge with one of the two on. I think it adds some skill to using the ship and some small thought process. You're not entirely vulnerable, the small size allows for a quick escape and easy dodging.

All of this "you're catering to WBs" is bull. Publics are there for basing, take control of the flag and this ship in that scenario was making it difficult and boring.

[Troll King]

If it's a problem that only affects the lowest common denominators of the zone then I don't see it as a problem at all.

[Subjugation]

cloakers made them actually have to watch their back.
cloakers actually made a team have to COMMUNICATE so that
non-warbirds could kill the cloakers while the warbirds kept the non
warbirds safe.

You're talking about in the base, because the problem with cloakers was in spawn. Wb's can't "watch their back" against something that is invisible. It's just a matter of thrusting around, and hoping you don't happen to thrust toward the path of an x.

[za gophar]

oh and for everyone who told me to deal with it because it is part of the game, get a fork and some ketchup, its time to eat your words.

[Fluffz]

the new weasel is better because it makes this ship less retarded, but fact still remains it is underpowered by a lot. once again i call for a repel and a rocket maybe for the cost of multifire, energy or bullet duration.

[Dameon Angell]

Well, truthfully, the terrier is the worst ship choice for anti-weasel. The weasel is its own anti-weasel, just like the warbird is its own anti-warbird. But yeah, you should really learn how to play the game first, before you go around saying ships are unbalanced and unfair still.

And I still say remove all cloaking and just speed it up, so it can still be able to do something constructive. Sure, you can kill while cloaked, but the kills you get are few, just cause of the setup time for each one.

In summary: even with new settings, its still just as unbalanced as it was before.