Weasel Nerf'd

[Subjugation]

Warbirds flying around spawn and just taking potshots shouldn't have to worry about "bottom feeder X's" who are just trying to piss people off? But they should have to worry about LT's that exist only to piss people off, and the basers should have to worry about these same warbirds who are taking potshots at anything (including sharks heading for the base) so they can get a kill in their score, right? Warbirds flying around the spawn shouldn't get some sort of special exemption from the annoying things in life.

If you don't like LT's, you can always go to the pure pub arenas. It's not like people who just want to practice their wb skills have that option available to them. And your point about pubs being representative to the rest of TW only emphasizes my point about wb's should be less harrassed by x's. DDing is a big part of TW. It's good for the future of TW to reduce the discouragement of wb'ing.

And I still don't agree that x's are any good at LT hunting. If an LT gets killed by an x, it just means their pilot sucks major ass. There's no excuse for an LT pilot to turn off his xradar for longer than it takes to warp. After the warp, he should immediately re-engage his xradar. With a few minutes of practice, it becomes nothing more than muscle memory, like playing 3 notes on a piano.

The fact that the recent loudest anti weasel voice (Tone) happens to LT?

I like to LT sometimes too, but that is completely irrelevant of why I thought the former x-settings were shitty. Again, if a player doesn't like LT's, there are two arenas for them to enjoy. And I'm glad Tone was vocal about his feelings, and he obviously had a valid point, or the ship settings wouldn't have changed.

[Subjugation]

Pub may be around for more than basing, but the primary focus should still be basing because that's what the zone is designed around. It's in the original settings, it's in the zone description, it's in the map design. Any changes that are made in pubs should thus keep basing in mind first, and any other play styles should come secondary. Basing is the primary aspect of this zone. Anyone denying that is ignoring the evidence.

I agree the primary purpose of the pub arenas are basing, and changing the settings to be more inclusive to people practicing their wb skills doesn't detract from the purpose of basing. It just creates more of a balance between ships in the spawn.

[deutschpunkrevolte]

well, assholes like tone and BobR can ruin every game

[Dameon Angell]

Okay, 3 items of business here...

1. edit: fuck it, I'm not even gonna bother with tone. he just needs to learn how to put out some proactive ideas instead of bitching about cloaking all the time.


2. Yeah, I've noticed all the anti-cloakers play on either private freqs, or just by themselves, so they don't have anyone to call out cloakers for them.

and 3. How about a jav-warbird ship combo? A jav, that fires a bullet, no bomb, with 1 bounce. The bullet has a slow speed to it, like a jav bomb, but it's a bullet. It'll be able to snipe out targets better with the bounces, but be affected by the jav ass bullet or a real warbird bullet. Like a basing warbird.

Or, a ship that fires lvl 1 bombs at the speed of a warbird's bullets, but have a longer recharge time and lessen the speed a tad bit. So basically its Warbird + (splash damage + emp - speed "lanc speed" and - recharge) It'd be a dueling ship for group situations.

[Suh]

this new weasel seems to prove that no1 watches radar in mid



easy pickings

[Theif of Time]

Humble suggestion: Let twdev do it???? Isn't that kind of what they exist for?

[Riesen]

The way the anti-weasel people seem to see it, is that no ship can see the weasel while it's cloaked. Three ships have the ability to see weasels, and one can always see it instead of tapping "end". What's the difficulty in saying "//are there any weasels?"

It's never been impossible to spot or kill weasels. Your lack of communication between your team mates is not our resposibility. I don't think the entire server should be punished for it. You don't like being spawned by weasels? Don't sit in spawn. You don't like it when weasels come and kill you as you're camping? Don't camp. Every ship except a leviathan can move faster than a weasel. If you aren't stationary, chances are you'll avoid being shot by one.

Weasels don't ruin basing. If you had a resposible, attentive terrier, they won't be a problem. I've seen many a terrier announce where the weasels are. Just because a few of you refuse to take heed of those warnings isn't cause for a total ship make-over.

If it's this much trouble, just get rid of it.

[Jeenyuss]

I'm far too lazy to actually read all that but seriously, banning the cloaks from ?go base? That's just plain dirty. There has got to be a way for both sides of the spectrum to be happy and it just isn't fair to either side to either put them in as is or take them out without any discussion. I think you staffers oughta sit down and discusss this one, I completely stand behind Dameon and I think he'll bring a fair representation of us cloak fans out there.

[deutschpunkrevolte]

bullshit

hey this isnt star trek. this is trenchwars.

wbs, spiders are good for fights
terrier -> carrier and good fighter
shark -> reps
and weasel WAS good for tactical purposes

if you all dont like cloakers then goto another zone or sth. play elim.. whatever
but why weaken the cloakers... that sucks

if you dont like being killed by someone you cant see then dont play trenchwars.

cloakers 4ever!!!

[CloudHelmut]

It's quite simple. Everyone on the planet knows the stupidest thng about Star Trek was that Klingons & Romulans had cloaking ships, Humans didn't. Yet we were not completely wiped out by either fleet.

Now some of you want to continue the madness here? Madness I say!!

:fear:

[Fluffz]

I say the weasel, before or after the change is a piece of shit. I'm not saying its "unfair" I'm not saying "overpowered", I'm saying that it's utterly useless, and I think we can change it into something that is more productive.

i disagree. there is no need for another usefull ship. tw pubs are not as fun as there used to be. u took away the levi and changed the cloaker into some kind of weak dogfighter that is annoying hard to hit. the lanc is cool, but its still no match for a wb or a spider it lacks its speciality. this zone´s pubs used to offer a lot of different gameplay and you guys are trying to turn it into a weak ?go base. the cloaker is not supposed to be usefull, its supposed to be fun. if you want a usefull ship play a spider. gtfo "balancing" the ships.

short range, like ?go hockey range

i like that, tho hockey range is too small in my oppinion. also i dont know if the settings allow different shot distances for different ships.

[Tone]

Humble Suggestion: IF the Weasel is determined to be too weak now, keep the energy drain and give it something else to fix that. speed, rotation, i dont know, whatever, but something else other than reverting back to unlimited invisibility

[Dameon Angell]

Disregard the first post for now. I say the weasel, before or after the change is a piece of shit. I'm not saying its "unfair" I'm not saying "overpowered", I'm saying that it's utterly useless, and I think we can change it into something that is more productive.

I gave my suggestion : a flag capturing ship. Its small (1 tile), quick (less than a terrier, but fast), but doesn't have much in the way of damage (lvl 1 bullets, short range, like ?go hockey range), with high a) energy amounts or b.) recharge (I'm moving more toward B than A in that, but just thinking as I type). It would be used to grab the flag and cause havoc in the flagroom for the team that is attacking the base, and a way to grab the flag when the spiders cannot make headway.

and a sidenote to hydide's comment...

I was Archangell <ZH> and Archangell <ER>, changed name to Matthew <ER>, to which I then quit staff for a small stint of inactivity. I then started staff again a month or so later, under the name Dameon Angell <ER>, and then got Mod as Dameon Angell, and then TWD Op, and I'm here right now. Thats for most of you who still have no clue who the fuck this newb is right here. And do I like being a nobody? I do, far less stressful.

[Sarien]

No offense to Dameon, cause sometimes he seems like an Ok guy, and I don't have anything specifically against him, but he has yet to thorougly convince me he can tell the difference between his asshole and a hole in the ground.

[Hydride]

Dameon angell would know, he's matthew, (<ER>, <ZH>) so im sure he would know if staff messed up weasel or not