Weasel Nerf'd

[PH]

THe new settings are doing well and making a lot of sense. i was just in pub and i got Xed when i wasnt pay attention to radar. but thats a lot more fair that what went down before.

they can still get you if you ignore radar for a while. they just dont get you nearly as much and over and over and over while you try to play, its not like that anymore. settings are working very well.

also the cloakers have to operate more controls and use more strategy rather than just go around waiting to surprise people for kicks

Yeah, the settings are working well for you and your spawner/LT buddies. Every pub, pure and otherwise, that I've watched in the past two days has been dead as far as basing goes. Yep, settings are working. Uh huh.

The settings are working.
The settings are working.
The settings are working.
The settings are working.
The settings are working.
The settings are working.
The settings are working.
The settings are working.

[deutschpunkrevolte]

hell stfu tone

[Kolar]

It's not a huge problem, but it's a minor nuisence(sp?) that can make scouting and defense aspects of x radar less useful. It's still good for seeing cloaked ships, but now no longer useful for off screen Weasels.

With the chaos going on in Mid you can still recharge while using Stealth, cloak and enter the Flag room if needed. The point you made would be an advantage to the weasel and its Freq and I don't see a problem with it.

Other posters:
If you're spawning as a weasel then the settings are not going to be changed in your favor to make this easier, this is about pubbing/basing.

[Tone]

THe new settings are doing well and making a lot of sense. i was just in pub and i got Xed when i wasnt pay attention to radar. but thats a lot more fair that what went down before.

they can still get you if you ignore radar for a while. they just dont get you nearly as much and over and over and over while you try to play, its not like that anymore. settings are working very well.

also the cloakers have to operate more controls and use more strategy rather than just go around waiting to surprise people for kicks

[deutschpunkrevolte]

if U are teh girl on teh picure :wub:

u are damnit intelligent, clever... etc. :wub:

[Riesen]

and it was a problem because the x's had an unfair advantage, not because it was inconvenient. if a mediocre player can have a 3:1 kill ratio in a specific ship, that's a pretty good sign that the ship was overpowered.

If you play a shark and laid mines in a tube and just ran away whenever an enemy showed up, you could do a lot better than 3:1.

If you play a warbird and do nothing buy spawn people, you can get a 3:1 or better, again, if you're good at running away.

Weasels kept a lot of things in check, and sure, they were a nuisance at times, too, but it's easier to hop in a terrier and take them out than it is to type a 10 paragraph thesis on why they're "overpowered". Now, I see more warbirds camping and spawning than ever. If you go hunt them, they just warp away. With a weasel, you could make sure they didn't. Simply put, it was an inconvenience to a lot of people, and they came here to voice their nonsensical reasons about how the ship is "overpowered" and "ruining the game". If you ask me, it's these anti-social, anti-teamwork people that are ruining the game.

I've been cloaked my fair share, even as a new player and didn't really know what it was, but I never came here and started complaining. I took some advice from other players on what to do about them, and now (well, not now) I ask the terriers or javs if there are any weasels nearby. Unfortunately, not everyone has the ability to type "//hey, is there a weasel nearby?" for whatever reason and thus the ship is ruined.

If you don't like playing a team game, then don't. Go to some arena where the main objective isn't dependent upon you working together with your team mates. Don't spin that "elim is for experienced players" bull, either. I've been in there and most of the players just spawn kill you and call you EZ. There's not a whole lot of difference between that and the way the pubs are now. You could also round up some friends and go to a private arena, or go in one by yourself and shoot at the rocks as targets. There are a lot more ways to practice than just spawning people in pubs.

[SpiderMage]

I wonder if anyone has noticed the hit long range x radar has taken with the change to Weasels. Now since it takes energy to both cloak and stealth, most Weasels don't use stealth anymore, which means they are always on radar. The problem this poses is to mostly Terrs that switch x radar on and off to keep scout of the area adjacent to the flag room, to warn teammates on roof and in midbase. With stealth not being on, a Terr can't tell if an enemy that's on radar but off the screen is a Warbird or a Weasel.

It's not a huge problem, but it's a minor nuisence(sp?) that can make scouting and defense aspects of x radar less useful. It's still good for seeing cloaked ships, but now no longer useful for off screen Weasels.

[Theif of Time]

recently I've been getting continuosly sniped by wbs in spawn for the simple fact that I cannot use both cloak and stealth. Not to kill people, just to get away. Weasel is so slow its a sitting duck, most wb's can radar shot to some extent (perhaps they were particularly skilled today) so i turn on stealth, turn off cloak. Then a wb spawns next to me or flys past, turns and shoots before I have time to get away. Sometimes I did have time to put on cloak, but that did not work either. Before, when i was on a pub with no terr, I could just cloak/stealth and the only threat would be terriers/javs/other weasels. But now, trying to fly to roof on the weasels tiny afterburner is futile, wbs pick me off 9x out of 10. Eventually I gave up and changed pubs.
And I say that it is good, if wb's are encouraged to change ships. I had a quick check through all the pubs today( 5 of them) and found that just under half of the players were wb's (with a total of about 35-50, whereas I spotted only 5 X's in 5 different pubs. Strangely, the Spider numbers were about the same. (This statistic is probably biased due to the fact GuanoBot was down, as was DockBot, But I believe it is accurate for non-pure pubs)
Is this the basing that pubs are supposed to encourage? half the players being wb's, spider virtually nonexistant, any decent basing packed full of javs and, believe it or not, slightly more lancs than spiders?Happy to say there was not a shortage of terriers or Levis, Approximatly 2 Lt's per pub.
So whats the bigger threat to basing, the 2 high speed big L3 bombers known as Lt's, or the single weasel (on average) in each pub? The abundance of wbs? or the wingle weasel? (in the wb's defence, most of them in the pubs which are usually pure were basing)

[Subjugation]

If you didn't like the old weasels, you could've hopped in a terrier, jav or shark and killed them. It's only a problem when it's an inconvenience to you, right? =/

which i did often. actually, terr is my primary basing ship, which is why i suck at wb, which is why i think wbing in spawn makes for good practise.

and it was a problem because the x's had an unfair advantage, not because it was inconvenient. if a mediocre player can have a 3:1 kill ratio in a specific ship, that's a pretty good sign that the ship was overpowered.

[Riesen]

If you don't like LT's, you can always go to the pure pub arenas.

If you didn't like the old weasels, you could've hopped in a terrier, jav or shark and killed them. It's only a problem when it's an inconvenience to you, right? =/

Most of you weasel nay sayers need to get over yourselves.

[Subjugation]

sorry, but i didn't catch that.

[Rudy]

Perhaps I wasn't quite clear last time I said this. So for your benefit, here it is again...

Hearing about weasels bores the fuck outta me.

[Subjugation]

?go wbduel (several of these available)
?go elim
Two perfectly valid options.

Which provide a fantastic meritocratic system for wb's who are already good. But if you are a mediocre or worse wb (like myself), which btw is why one would need the practise in the first place, you have to wait 5-15 minutes before or after each elim or wb duel session before you can actually get your practise in, and wait a couple minutes to pick which ship and how many deaths are voted on.

There's just no comparison for wb practise than pub spawn, where you can die, and immediately respawn. You can basically practise wb nonstop. Also, you don't have to worry worry nearly as much about competition against others, and spend most of your focus on learning your shots, angles, and other techniques.

True enough, when I pub the two pure pubs are the only ones I will play in. But just because Tone repeated his points 50 times does not make them any more valid. It just proves that the loudest whiner gets his way around here.

If it is a "squeaky-wheel-gets-the-grease" issue, and it has zero to do with actual merit-of-point, then with a few weeks of nagging, there should be no problem getting it changed back. But I gotta keep it real...I think it detracts from your point when you complain about tone and others whining before the settings change, and telling them to "just deal with it", and now that the settings have changed, you are one of the players being more vocal about not liking the settings. I don't mean that as a personal insult, btw. I know people are pretty passionate about this subject, so I hope we stay cool.


I'll tell you what tho, if you give wb's the same x-radar with a drain that the javs get, I could care less what the x settings are.

[Theif of Time]

Humble Suggestion: IF the Weasel is determined to be too weak now, keep the energy drain and give it something else to fix that. speed, rotation, i dont know, whatever, but something else other than reverting back to unlimited invisibility

You know, possibly one of the best suggestions from tone so far...
Many weasels wish to get back the rocket/rep combo.
Dameon, I like your idea of giving the weasel bouncing bullets... but you know there is no way it can be made to bounce only once. Possibly bounce would make weasel useful in basing, I'd like to see it experimented with at least.

EDIT: ironically enough, i find that as a weasel I'm more often being spawned/sniped by wbs than I'm killing them, mainly cos I use either stealth or cloak but hardly ever both. Mayhap cloak was a better protection than a weapon.

[PH]

It's not like people who just want to practice their wb skills have that option available to them.

?go wbduel (several of these available)
?go elim
Two perfectly valid options.

DDing is a big part of TW. It's good for the future of TW to reduce the discouragement of wb'ing.

I don't disagree with your first point. DD is probably the most popular division in TW. But I don't feel like that's an excuse to make it easier for WB's to take over pubs when they already have the previously mentioned (and higher-quality) arenas to play in.

And I still don't agree that x's are any good at LT hunting.

You never saw me or Sarien in action with the old Weasel then. I'm sorry we were smarter than the average ship six user.

... if a player doesn't like LT's, there are two arenas for them to enjoy. And I'm glad Tone was vocal about his feelings, and he obviously had a valid point, or the ship settings wouldn't have changed.

True enough, when I pub the two pure pubs are the only ones I will play in. But just because Tone repeated his points 50 times does not make them any more valid. It just proves that the loudest whiner gets his way around here.