An end of an Era

[Heroin Bob]

Well why not make a quota like in distension. For instance:

Player 1 needs 200 kills before being allowed to lev. Player 1 needs 500 kills before being allowed to private freq. This would help make basing interesting and give players goals in a set timeline

distension sucks

[spinsanity]

response to mr moot

Well your not rewarding success, but I can see why you would say that.. it seems like you have, given some of the responses. I'll do my best to justify this ...

Before I start, I should say this is a composite opinion from several people I have talked to, but I didn't see any commenting on the forums, which is a point all onto itself, pubbers don't publish as much as leaguers do (in general).

Saying pure pubs killed the pub zones is too simple, while this may not be perfect, here is sort of what happened. Its that with a heavy emphsis on automatically hosted 24/7 league arenas and games, people have been trained to like that style of play, at some point someone wanted that type of game play in the pubs (ignoring the fact there has always been hosted basing zone)... So pure pub 0 was born but at the time there were still 3 - 4 normal zones, so no one complained, and the ones that did, well they were told there were still 3 or 4 other zones they could play, and they did... UNTIL a second pub zone was added, and by this time pub zone population had dropped so only at best 3 pubs were full, that left the normal pub people with only one zone in all of the TW zones to play... ONE NORMAL RULE ZONE IN ALL OF TW (sometimes... NONE). A good deal of the people that played normal pub zones are gone now, they didn't complain, it was a frog in the water effect.

This happened not because pure pubs are more fun, or offer better gaming, it happened because people that make decisions play league, league plays different rules than pubs, league and other 24/7 hosted auto zones took away pub population, now you got a group of people making decisions that never liked to play in pubs to begin with seeing it a perfect idea to make pubs like league games, and it happened slowly.

Over the last few months when there is only one (or NONE) normal zones, you had what is left of the normal zone population in a stagnet dry pond... every player that liked normal zones and were experienced enough to find it.. all in one zone, if that.



Maybe your right, maybe its time to make the basing zone, the league zone and the pub zones all the same, but I would think that variety of game play, and maybe test things out for more than one day would be a better way to go.

Sure if you do something all at once people will complain, but take a lesson to how we got here in the first place, and turn the temperature up a little more slowly on us stuburn frogs and then maybe there will be room for all of us.. levs, lts, and war birds and yes even javs and x's living together, like it should be.

The way things are going...someone is going to say: wouldn't league games be more fun if Javs where not getting in the way and tking all the time? Is this the path to the ultimate basing experience?

[Mootland Farmer]

Im confused to as how you can see how popular pure pub is (or isnt). Do you make assumptions based on the feedback of a minority (the forum, which, as a community, does not play pure pub all that much), or do you look at the number of people playing at any given time, or what?

Variety can benefit better than dictatorship. Let us pubbers choose which pub we want to play in, instead of limiting our possibilities for us just to achieve an intangible "greater good". By Deathking

I take feedback from where I can get it. ?messages, forums, reading Public chat, talking to players etc. Perhaps you're right, maybe not. I'd rather say I tried and failed, to not try at all. Although I realise I should not try to hurt the zone in my attempts.

[dads revenge]

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[spinsanity]

comments for deathking and h bob and Xog

1. H. Bob almost has a good idea, why not something along these lines.. its not perfect, but something sorta maybe like that would be a good solution.

2. Xog I have thought close to same type of map too. I would like to see something like that tested over a weekend or week, if not just to shake up the ol map a bit

3. Deathking, I understand that you feel something is being taken away, but its not. You come to game when pure pubs were established, before that people would go to the basing zone(s). If basing zones were promoted, and people like yourself could always find a game.. then surly that would be the type of compromise all of us would like. Pubs should be normal, and anyone that wants should be able to go to a hosted zone of their choice. Your seeing this from a different persepective since your started to play after pub 0 went to pure basing... and maybe that is why there was so much debate on this, no one thought to go to the basing zones that are always up and waiting for players. Its not a lack of basing zones that are the issue, its a lack of regulation/normal TW pub zones. Your not use to playing normal pub zones or you perfer not to, I can understand that, I don't play anything but normal pub zones... but you have have had access to every zone in TW except one, I have only had access to one.

Heck if no one is going to use the basing zones, maybe a solution would be to convert them to regulation pub rules and let the league people take the pubs.

[Salubrious]

nuke the basers

[Fluffz]

i myself retired because pubs got boring. but dont worry, once again ill tell you how it should have been done:

• put timer and or other minigame bots into all pubs
• limit the ammount of ships. loosen the limits as the pub number increases. mvps get benefits at choosing ships
• limit private freqs
• add a automated tk protection
• change the weasel back, increase energy drain on stealth
• add usefull ?buy items for a very high price
• change the map
• code a dx10 client

[MirrorriM]

For those who said pubbers should be talked to, see my post on second page. They had a lot to say and its not all about getting rid of levs.

[Jockman]

We need pure pub

How about you just set pure pub during the week? And get rid of it on weekends....Weekends are fine because all twdd/bd/jd matches are played then and ?go base is always full so I propose you keep pure pub during the week and change it on weekends, at least that way we will still get to do some real basing....

[Jones]

i didn't read the replies but now that you have pure pub again you could always ship the duelers to elim. i mean, the competition is already low, and i don't particularly care if it's going to get lower for the sake of getting more popular.

as a side-note, when i was still pubbing i was 80% of my time private freqing, trying to rack up better k:d's every reset, getting better and better bounties, until one day, when Morh told me to gtfo of pub's and play elim instead. now you may not listen to what i have to say, but i was also a member of time lords at that time, and played a few #mythrandir. so there, got your attention.

[HateTheFake]

For some reason or another in pub 0 its hard to get reps as a lev. Why would it be much higher then normal? Even when dying i sometimes have 0 reps for my next life, kinda makes me a big target lol

[Grambottle]

Pubbers should have a say in this, someone should get them active with trenchwars forums, but then again the whole registering process and messaging someone to accept you on forums and so on is too much to handle. I mean really if you're not playing pubs as constantly as these people are why the fuck are you giving your 2 cents into whats best for them, go get to your ?go elim and ?go base and other arenas because the majority of you hardly play more than 5 minutes of pub.

heh, I actually just signed up on these forums (first post!) because of the whole pure pub announcement. So this may be the pubber PoV you want.


When the announcement came in, I saw a few major flaws in logic:

1) With pure pubs and normal pubs both in place, people have their choice (levs / no levs, etc), thus more people are satisfied. Removing the pure pubs eliminated that choice. I really can't understand, for any reason, why eliminating a compromise was a good idea in the first place. I'm glad that's over.

2) This was mentioned earlier: you acknowledged that the move would make a lot of vets leave TW. If a move is expected to take away a good core of people who have been around for a while, it's not a good one. That's pretty much an easy warning sign to recognize.

I'm sure there's others but I don't really wanna get too heavy into it. Those points will do. I, for one, am glad the decision was reversed. I don't exactly have the time to really get into the whole competitive basing thing and I don't like waiting around to get to play, so PurePub is excellent in that manner. I'm not always in PurePub - I like scrimming around in the other publics or ?go duel - but whenever I want to get some good pub basing in, I'll go PurePub.

That is, IF I CAN GET IN!! The PurePub is the most consistent pub for being at capacity or almost full capacity. Me and a friend will try to PurePub but often one or none of us can get in. I don't see that with the other two normal pubs.

So, in summary, Mootland, I'm glad you reversed your decision. There's no point in taking away the compromise of 1 PurePub and 2 normal pubs so far as benefits to the TW population. You were at risk of losing a decent number of people there. And for those of you who are having a hissy fit over the existence of a PurePub: deal with it. If you don't want to use it, don't. It's the most populated Pub in TW, so if you don't use it, someone else will. And there's still 2 normal pubs... you don't NEED 3.

And Mootland, you certainly need feedback on your next idea BEFORE you make it, lol. It's good to cook up ideas for the community but you gotta make sure you're not missing the ball (see above thread :P ).

[Ephemeral]

Spinsanity
You have done more harm to this community than any other person. If you really care about the game, try stopping your endless political spam. This is a online space game, not some BLOG or political forum.

[spinsanity]

ephemeral and Grambottle

What the hell, stick to the topic... btw ephemeral you create your own hell, its not me, its you ... besides you spend all your time in jav dual anyway.

Grambottle
If basing zones are used, there is no need for any "vets" to leave (anyone should know that a real vet use to have 5 or so regulation (non-pure) pubs to play in... now for last year or so, there has been 1 (at best).

Again the issue is NOT a lack of basing zones, it is just wierd people would argue this. To say removing the pure pubs is taking away choice is just a load of crap, even with this move, basing zones are still by FAR the majority in TW today.

If we had 5 or 6 active pubs on a reg. basis then the arugment to make one of them "pure" is a better arguement that some are making now... but again, that argument along with expanded auto hosted zones lead to the discussion now. Why not try a new direction? Best changes to pubs made over the years 1. levs with weaker bullets 2. small cloaker/ cloaking limits 3. lance wide spread bullets Worst changes: weaker lev bombs (that did suck) 2. pure pubs

I have seen some ideas that deserve to be tried out, I would like very much to see the pub population go up, just not at the expense of limiting ships... pubs don't need to be like league games and league games don't need to restrict ships... lets drop the idea of "pure basing" and just work toward "good game play". It took years to head to where we are now, it won't change overnight.. but it can change.

[Chao.]

That is, IF I CAN GET IN!! The PurePub is the most consistent pub for being at capacity or almost full capacity. Me and a friend will try to PurePub but often one or none of us can get in. I don't see that with the other two normal pubs.

It's the first thing everyone is dumped into every time they connect (If it has any spots).