Distension before TWL?

[kthx]

Someone just leak the code to EG and let them host it 24/7 then sit back and watch the players rise.. and then start dwindling back to TW like always.

[DankNuggets]

Dear Santa,

For Christmas, please get distension out of SSCU Trenchwars if it happens to go 24/7. I have been a really good boy this year.

EDIT:

also dank, dont you think that people who have played this zone for 10 years should have a bit more of a say than people who have played it 2 or 3? by saying that you dont want to affect TWL you just want distension 24/7 that is what you are doing. you are telling me that my opinion doesnt matter.

i have been through alot with this zone for a long time. my opinion should matter more than someone who hasnt. if you dont think so, then you can go fuck yourself.

I guess since my parents are older than me, and have been voting a long time, their vote should count more than mine. right?

i'm not holding myself above anyone (except maybe wark, fucking asshole) and it's sad that that's the route you've got to take Zeebu.

You can't place value or weight on your own opinion Zeebu, that's not up to you to decide. It's up to the people processing your opinions to decide how important they think they are, or whether they hold more merit than anyone else's.

Your opinion might count more, but your vote shouldn't. If people choose to hold your opinion's over mine, that's their choice. But if it comes down to a vote, which maybe it should, then your opinion doesn't mean any more than mine.

I can get flamed all day on this forum, and it won't matter. You guys are going to keep with your own. Hell, a good many people I end up arguing with don't play this game anymore... shouldn't my opinion count more than them? Well it's not up for me to decide, only the people who read it/hear it.

Put this to a vote in the pubs, at any random time, and it'll go in favor of distension. Put it up for a week and it will go in favor of distension. the only way you're not going to get a vote in favor of distension is to put it on the forums (which it could still win) or to put it in some private arena and not tell everyone about it. Even if you did it zone-wide during TWL, it would still pass.

[Zeebu]

I guess since my parents are older than me, and have been voting a long time, their vote should count more than mine. right?

i'm not holding myself above anyone (except maybe wark, fucking asshole) and it's sad that that's the route you've got to take Zeebu.

You can't place value or weight on your own opinion Zeebu, that's not up to you to decide. It's up to the people processing your opinions to decide how important they think they are, or whether they hold more merit than anyone else's.

Your opinion might count more, but your vote shouldn't. If people choose to hold your opinion's over mine, that's their choice. But if it comes down to a vote, which maybe it should, then your opinion doesn't mean any more than mine.

I can get flamed all day on this forum, and it won't matter. You guys are going to keep with your own. Hell, a good many people I end up arguing with don't play this game anymore... shouldn't my opinion count more than them? Well it's not up for me to decide, only the people who read it/hear it.

Put this to a vote in the pubs, at any random time, and it'll go in favor of distension. Put it up for a week and it will go in favor of distension. the only way you're not going to get a vote in favor of distension is to put it on the forums (which it could still win) or to put it in some private arena and not tell everyone about it. Even if you did it zone-wide during TWL, it would still pass.

all knowing one,

since you want to go this route, let me say something. you want to know when TW usually fucks up? when it asks the people what they want. it shouldnt be run as a democracy, it should be run to last. staff used to take input and comments from people, then make decisions that promoted the zone. that did what was best for the zone, not just the few vocal ones.


?go elim is popular for both wbs and javs. the people bitch enough to seperate it. staff does reluctantly... elim popularity suffers in the long term and noone cares about it anymore like they used to.

?go tourny is new and automated and popular. it gets turned on 24/7 per request of the all knowing people and it dies soon after

people whine and bitch that pubs have levis in them and theyre angry, pure pubs are created. in the long term all pubs suffer in general.


with your vast experience, name me a few times in TW where the community demands something and then it works for a prolonged period of time. please do not use distension as an example being that is what we are discussing to begin with. make your decision based on long term results, not your short term fun to be had. convince me that this will be good for tw in the long term and that it will improve TWL and pubs (which will always be the focal points of trenchwars). (as a side note, please do not say put distension in pubs)

right now, we have a few vocal people (you, roxcheezkat, dako etc etc etc) that are pushing for 24/7 distension (sans TWL sundays) and you will not bend until you have it. if you want it, take it to another zone. it doesnt belong here. at least take it to another zone and remove the kinks. let it thrive for a while in another zone. maybe after it is established we can combine it again? but do not let it go 24/7 inside TW.

[DankNuggets]

all knowing one,

since you want to go this route, let me say something. you want to know when TW usually fucks up? when it asks the people what they want. it shouldnt be run as a democracy, it should be run to last. staff used to take input and comments from people, then make decisions that promoted the zone. that did what was best for the zone, not just the few vocal ones.


?go elim is popular for both wbs and javs. the people bitch enough to seperate it. staff does reluctantly... elim popularity suffers in the long term and noone cares about it anymore like they used to.

?go tourny is new and automated and popular. it gets turned on 24/7 per request of the all knowing people and it dies soon after

people whine and bitch that pubs have levis in them and theyre angry, pure pubs are created. in the long term all pubs suffer in general.


with your vast experience, name me a few times in TW where the community demands something and then it works for a prolonged period of time. please do not use distension as an example being that is what we are discussing to begin with. make your decision based on long term results, not your short term fun to be had. convince me that this will be good for tw in the long term and that it will improve TWL and pubs (which will always be the focal points of trenchwars). (as a side note, please do not say put distension in pubs)

right now, we have a few vocal people (you, roxcheezkat, dako etc etc etc) that are pushing for 24/7 distension (sans TWL sundays) and you will not bend until you have it. if you want it, take it to another zone. it doesnt belong here. at least take it to another zone and remove the kinks. let it thrive for a while in another zone. maybe after it is established we can combine it again? but do not let it go 24/7 inside TW.

I don't know, what about automated TWD? I think that's pretty popular. It's hard to come up with an example when the entire poplulation graph is a downhill slope. You know what the magical decision that will make the game more populated is? No? Neither does anyone. No decision, wheter it was made from player imput, or wether it was done randomly by staff (big weasel) has had a positive impact.

No change has had a positive impact. Since you want to challenge me to find something that doesn't exist, it's my turn. What rhymes with purple? (as a side note please don't say "light urple")

And why does distension have to be the focal point of TW, quit changing the arguments. I don't want it to be, and it doesn't need any attention from staff if it's run like I've suggested, so they can continue to focus on pubs and TWL and make them better.

And it's not like I don't make plenty of suggestions to help TW in general. You're trying to make it sound like the two can't coexist, which you must have convinced yourself of now. It can run 24/7 and not kill TWL. The argument against this keeps coming back to "but then distension will die", and coming from someone who's main goal is that, you're not convincing me.

I don't think distension is a cure for the zone, and it could very well die out in a year or two. I wouldn't shed a tear if that was the will of the people. I'd rather them move on and play what they like, or change the game to meet their needs and wants. Not everything has to be about the greater goal of sustaining TW indefinitely, and this is something that requires little staff dedication, so it's not like we're taxing them or keeping them from sustaining TW on their own.

[Dabram]

the way to do this: let there be one thing to play at a time. honestly, do that. make it so at each stage along the year there is pretty much one thing to do. we dont have the population to support multiple different little things. the key is to space out the things well enough that it ropes people along.

I've always agreed with this. TW should have a calender for each year, what we can expect when. It shouldn't be too difficult to set something like that up either.
TWL --> Draft league(s) (I'd say split dueling/basing so you can have more (stable) teams instead of these '3 league teams', TWD/TWL show how difficult it is for a 3 league squad to stay around, expecting the same of a 'draft team' is ludicrous) --> BWC (could also be Dueling-worldcups) or have TWEL/Tourny-playoffs-thingy at the same time for duelers. --> Last few months of TWL-qualification should be getting near again, throw in some 'special' big weekend events (small strikeball/warzone tourny or something fun) --> and TWL again.

Oh forgot about Distension. Oops.

[Stabwound]

I'm glad to have finally found out why I suddenly got extremely bad lag about half an hour before our TWL matches began, while I didn't have any lag earlier on this day and none of my housemates were online.. And that for some retarded side-game that takes zero skill to be succesful in. Thanks, I appreciate it.

Oh man, you finally solved it!

Oh, wait.... isn't it true that Distension hadn't run at all this past weekend?

Please try again.

[kthx]

Let me provide this as an example of of why distension shouldn't be hosted before TWL.

Earlier today I was hosting a hockey game and everything was fine, after distension was started however (towards the middle of my game) phases, and overall lag were raised quite a bit.

Wark <ER>> *lag
PING Current:50 ms Average:60 ms Low:30 ms High:350 ms S2C: 0.1% C2S: 0.0% S2CWeapons: 0.-8%
Wark <ER>> *lag
PING Current:120 ms Average:120 ms Low:100 ms High:700 ms S2C: 0.1% C2S: 0.1% S2CWeapons: 0.-6%
Wark <ER>> *lag
PING Current:30 ms Average:30 ms Low:30 ms High:60 ms S2C: 0.1% C2S: 0.1% S2CWeapons: 0.-3%
SCORE: Evens:12 Odds:7
Wark <ER>> *lag
PING Current:130 ms Average:110 ms Low:100 ms High:180 ms S2C: 0.1% C2S: 0.1% S2CWeapons: 0.-9%
Wark <ER>> *lag
PING Current:40 ms Average:40 ms Low:30 ms High:50 ms S2C: 0.7% C2S: 0.0% S2CWeapons: 0.0%
Wark <ER>> *lag
PING Current:110 ms Average:110 ms Low:90 ms High:180 ms S2C: 0.2% C2S: 0.0% S2CWeapons: -1.0%
Wark <ER>> *lag
PING Current:130 ms Average:90 ms Low:70 ms High:500 ms S2C: 0.1% C2S: 0.0% S2CWeapons: 0.-7%
Wark <ER>> *lag
PING Current:40 ms Average:30 ms Low:10 ms High:130 ms S2C: 0.2% C2S: 0.0% S2CWeapons: 0.-6%

Please notice the almost constant - s2c weapons that were not present before distension was started. If nothing else changes your mind, obviously this should, and hopefully you aren't so avid about running distension that you are willing to have people lagging like they do above just because you have too much ego to step back and decide that it isn't a good idea to run the morning before twl.

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Let me just repost that since idiots tend to ignore obvious things.

[DankNuggets]

Let me provide this as an example of of why distension shouldn't be hosted before TWL.

Earlier today I was hosting a hockey game and everything was fine, after distension was started however (towards the middle of my game) phases, and overall lag were raised quite a bit.

Wark <ER>> *lag
PING Current:50 ms Average:60 ms Low:30 ms High:350 ms S2C: 0.1% C2S: 0.0% S2CWeapons: 0.-8%
Wark <ER>> *lag
PING Current:120 ms Average:120 ms Low:100 ms High:700 ms S2C: 0.1% C2S: 0.1% S2CWeapons: 0.-6%
Wark <ER>> *lag
PING Current:30 ms Average:30 ms Low:30 ms High:60 ms S2C: 0.1% C2S: 0.1% S2CWeapons: 0.-3%
SCORE: Evens:12 Odds:7
Wark <ER>> *lag
PING Current:130 ms Average:110 ms Low:100 ms High:180 ms S2C: 0.1% C2S: 0.1% S2CWeapons: 0.-9%
Wark <ER>> *lag
PING Current:40 ms Average:40 ms Low:30 ms High:50 ms S2C: 0.7% C2S: 0.0% S2CWeapons: 0.0%
Wark <ER>> *lag
PING Current:110 ms Average:110 ms Low:90 ms High:180 ms S2C: 0.2% C2S: 0.0% S2CWeapons: -1.0%
Wark <ER>> *lag
PING Current:130 ms Average:90 ms Low:70 ms High:500 ms S2C: 0.1% C2S: 0.0% S2CWeapons: 0.-7%
Wark <ER>> *lag
PING Current:40 ms Average:30 ms Low:10 ms High:130 ms S2C: 0.2% C2S: 0.0% S2CWeapons: 0.-6%

Please notice the almost constant - s2c weapons that were not present before distension was started. If nothing else changes your mind, obviously this should, and hopefully you aren't so avid about running distension that you are willing to have people lagging like they do above just because you have too much ego to step back and decide that it isn't a good idea to run the morning before twl.

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Let me just repost that since idiots tend to ignore obvious things.

look, I'd like to believe you, but I can't. And since I can't *lag for my own S2CWeapons, and because the rest of my lag doesn't change during distension, I'm inclined to not believe you.

You could also post a screen shot of this instead of just copy/pasting lines that show no sort of time elapsed or prove anything. Why is your HIGH different all those times? Did you log off and back in a lot? Did your lag stablize? When I check my lag, the high is always the high unless I'm getting on and off a lot, which tends to through off my lag as well...

at least you're trying this time.

[2kill]

Let me provide this as an example of of why distension shouldn't be hosted before TWL.

Earlier today I was hosting a hockey game and everything was fine, after distension was started however (towards the middle of my game) phases, and overall lag were raised quite a bit.
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Let me just repost that since idiots tend to ignore obvious things.

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[roxxkatt]

im a huge faggot who doesnt try new events, and doesnt read posts.
I hate roxxkatt because he simply points out that im a huge fucking idiot.

fixed

[kthx]

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[TagMor]

ok
Could it be that for a number of people, TWL represents a substitute to all those years of being left out of the Highschool football team?
And anything that detracts from the glory of TWL would ensue cause the return of those same feelings of rejection and inferiorority?

[Liquid Blue]

what does it say about you when the first thing that pops into your head is being left out of the football team, when we're talking about a online 2d spaceship game tourney

[TagMor]

not really the first thing.. Whilst reading all the posts I was trying to get an idea of why so much defensiveness over TWL.. and the dillusion regarding its current demise.
I think people who love TWL (for w/e reason) have been upset for awhile over its decay and Distension served as a cataclyst/scapegoat for voicing that frustration.

[Stabwound]

would rather get terr DOWNS than touch DOWNS