Distension before TWL?

[kthx]

Think your ignoring the post of peoples lag after distension was turned on in ?go hockey earlier tagmor.

[Liquid Blue]

And what HMS said-- the schedule's been slashed already, we concede some playing time (which is a small fraction of what we want) to appease you guys, quit asking for more. I guess it's true, you give a mouse a cookie..

TWL has been around much longer than Distension, it's not like Distension players are giving their kidneys so TWL can run. I see no reason for you or Stargazer to act like you're doing the TWL population a favor.

You're complaining about giving up time? How many games and time has been wasted because of the server recycles caused by Distension? Or the lag?

I'm glad Distension players are generally not trying to argue with not having it hosted on Sunday, I just don't see the point of a few acting like it's considerate of them to do so. It's TWL, of course your event is going to take a backseat for a day.

[DankNuggets]

TWL has been around much longer than Distension, it's not like Distension players are giving their kidneys so TWL can run. I see no reason for you or Stargazer to act like you're doing the TWL population a favor.

I never said I'm doing the TWL population a favor, where the heck did you come up with this? At the same time I see no reason for them to serve us an injustice.

You're complaining about giving up time? How many games and time has been wasted because of the server recycles caused by Distension? Or the lag?

I'm glad Distension players are generally not trying to argue with not having it hosted on Sunday, I just don't see the point of a few acting like it's considerate of them to do so. It's TWL, of course your event is going to take a backseat for a day.

Really? you think the half-dozen server recycles have cancelled anywhere near the # of games that reducing the Distension schedule has? It hasn't. Aside from ruining two of HTF oh-so-important dds, I really don't see nearly as many people getting up-in-arms as I did over say killing the twdd game a few weeks ago for feeding.

Not to mention that the server recycles occasionally other times. Or that you can restart dds. i'm not saying that's ideal, but at least i'm not asking to limit your time.

What you don't seem to understand is that the distension players are doing everything they can to accomodate the TWL players, while the TWL players won't concede an inch, and have the ultimate goal of ruining our game. It's not about the Sunday time slot, it's about the HORRIBLE schedule, and REDUCING the overall playing time. Quit complaining about shit that affects you way less than it's affecting me. That's the sentiment with the distension players.

You guys complain about waiting 20 mins to find a dd (when it's like that anyway) but try getting up at 5 AM to play your favorite arena...

[H.M.S. Stargazer]

Never once did I say that distension is more important than TWL.

I already have stated that if Qans repairs to distension do not work, the time slot will not be hosted. And the prior server lag problems went away within the 1 hour of distension being hosted since he fixed it. So lag wont affect TWL.

And really, do not blame distension for the fact that people would rather play it than TWD. Does it not say something that people WANT to play it rather than TWD? But needless to say if a captain of a squad has issues with a player not attending a TWD match/TWL practice due to distension. That seems like a internal discipline problem, not the fault of distension.

I personally enjoy watching TWL. I would love to see someone get that elusive triple crown(well anyone but quake. but thank god they have no LB ). But I doubt it will happen again this year.

But i went off topic-ish.

The 2 concerns that people have are:

Lag may affect TWL: I have acknowledged that there may be an issue. I will be here over the next week a lot watching gameplay and how the zone is reacting to Qans 'improvements'.

People want to play TWD: This one is just about tradition. But over the last few years other events are hosted right before TWL. Including non traditional games like zombies, acro, balanceout. No one has seriously complained about those. So I refuse to accept this as a legitimate reason to not host distenson.

I'll be honest, I doubt the timeslot in question will be hosted due to TWL concerns.

But it was scheduled, and posted with Pure_Lucks approval. This schedule will not be changed again(for two weeks), and no distension op can host outside the scheduled times under any circumstances. So with this timeslot taken away, the distension players get fucked over some more and have it taken down to 24 hours a week.

[kthx]

You honestly do think it is worth it, and you are fighting for the hosting of distension before TWL than you obviously don't care about TWL or Distensions future. Because I guarantee if you do host distension before TWL and the server lags and TWL can't be played, there is going to be hell to pay from the community who has for the most part stayed out of the whole distension drama. Is it worth it for TWL? Is it worth it for Distension, is it honestly worth the risk at all when even one of this games creators said that this zones core values are Publics, TWD, and TWL.. I don't think it is worth even taking the chance. So take your two hours before TWL and move them to some other time, I doubt PL wouldn't care if you made that smart decision without asking his permission first.

I guess if you want to find out exactly how many people play in TWL over Distension, causing server strain before matches is one way to find out. The point it that even die hard distension fans agree with me here, its a stupid time slot, it is too risky before TWL, Before TWL IS a time for twd matches and jav/wbduel and base, and you are only keeping this time to preserve your ego. It makes you look very bad indeed.

[HateTheFake]

I never said I'm doing the TWL population a favor, where the heck did you come up with this? At the same time I see no reason for them to serve us an injustice.



Really? you think the half-dozen server recycles have cancelled anywhere near the # of games that reducing the Distension schedule has? It hasn't. Aside from ruining two of HTF oh-so-important dds, I really don't see nearly as many people getting up-in-arms as I did over say killing the twdd game a few weeks ago for feeding.

Not to mention that the server recycles occasionally other times. Or that you can restart dds. i'm not saying that's ideal, but at least i'm not asking to limit your time.

What you don't seem to understand is that the distension players are doing everything they can to accomodate the TWL players, while the TWL players won't concede an inch, and have the ultimate goal of ruining our game. It's not about the Sunday time slot, it's about the HORRIBLE schedule, and REDUCING the overall playing time. Quit complaining about shit that affects you way less than it's affecting me. That's the sentiment with the distension players.

You guys complain about waiting 20 mins to find a dd (when it's like that anyway) but try getting up at 5 AM to play your favorite arena...

WOW i really hope you didnt just say this. I had distension fuck me over 3 dds. Now normally that wouldnt matter, but when you spend a FUCKING HOUR looking for a match, play to round 3 and are 1 kill away from ending the game and THE SERVER RECYCLES. Its a waste. If distension wasnt there the dds wouldnt have taken so long to find, and sure id be a bit upset but 3 dds in 3 days. Not to mention the added lag we get when doing twd during distension. So now if you are a twd squad or a twl squad and you want to practice throughout the week, you are forced to play against even laggier players. This is complete bs and something needs to be done to fix this.

[DankNuggets]

WOW i really hope you didnt just say this. I had distension fuck me over 3 dds. Now normally that wouldnt matter, but when you spend a FUCKING HOUR looking for a match, play to round 3 and are 1 kill away from ending the game and THE SERVER RECYCLES. Its a waste. If distension wasnt there the dds wouldnt have taken so long to find, and sure id be a bit upset but 3 dds in 3 days. Not to mention the added lag we get when doing twd during distension. So now if you are a twd squad or a twl squad and you want to practice throughout the week, you are forced to play against even laggier players. This is complete bs and something needs to be done to fix this.

ok, and there's ways to fix this without limiting distension to 20 hrs a week, during the most off peak times possible.

HTF, how many dds have you played in the last month? Distension caused a half dozen recycles AFAIK, it sucks you were affected by most of them. However, it isn't something that will occur repeatedly with improvements to the bot. You don't have to worry about the server recycling everyday if it goes 24/7, that would be an issue that would be fixed.

It affected a weekend of dds, something that has also happened this year by the biller going down (2x) for extended periods as well as server lag from hopone and other server issues. It's not just distension, and you're villifying it for something that was an accidental occurance, which happens from time to time. It's not like it causes these problems everytime it runs, or even a majority of times.

That being said, it probably won't be hosted at sensitive times such as TWL. This shouldn't be viewed as a weakness in the bot so much as a preventative measure of safety to ensure that TWL goes well. I don't have the numbers, but I'm sure distension has had hundreds of games hosted thus far, with minimal number of interruptions to TWD. If there have been a higher number of these lately, please do not assert that they are a permanent feature of distension, as historically this has not been the case.

I've been fucked over from dds, and it sucks. But the beauty of it is that you can always do it again. The server recycling has lost a few rounds of RP for me in distension, which i don't enjoy. I can't get back on and play those rounds again because I'm limited to about an hour of POSSIBLE playing time.

Please understand that I don't want your games to be interrupted anymore than I want my games to be. Just don't act like it's OK to say I can't play at all because there's a minute possibility that it might force you to replay a dd (which in my experience almost never take an hour to play... and finding games is never easy, even without distension.)

[HateTheFake]

ok, and there's ways to fix this without limiting distension to 20 hrs a week, during the most off peak times possible.

HTF, how many dds have you played in the last month? Distension caused a half dozen recycles AFAIK, it sucks you were affected by most of them. However, it isn't something that will occur repeatedly with improvements to the bot. You don't have to worry about the server recycling everyday if it goes 24/7, that would be an issue that would be fixed.

It affected a weekend of dds, something that has also happened this year by the biller going down (2x) for extended periods as well as server lag from hopone and other server issues. It's not just distension, and you're villifying it for something that was an accidental occurance, which happens from time to time. It's not like it causes these problems everytime it runs, or even a majority of times.

That being said, it probably won't be hosted at sensitive times such as TWL. This shouldn't be viewed as a weakness in the bot so much as a preventative measure of safety to ensure that TWL goes well. I don't have the numbers, but I'm sure distension has had hundreds of games hosted thus far, with minimal number of interruptions to TWD. If there have been a higher number of these lately, please do not assert that they are a permanent feature of distension, as historically this has not been the case.

I've been fucked over from dds, and it sucks. But the beauty of it is that you can always do it again. The server recycling has lost a few rounds of RP for me in distension, which i don't enjoy. I can't get back on and play those rounds again because I'm limited to about an hour of POSSIBLE playing time.

Please understand that I don't want your games to be interrupted anymore than I want my games to be. Just don't act like it's OK to say I can't play at all because there's a minute possibility that it might force you to replay a dd (which in my experience almost never take an hour to play... and finding games is never easy, even without distension.)

Honestly this was very preventable thou, would you give a child a loaded gun? How many server recycles does it take to realize this shits broke. Distension got added into tw wayyy too quickly and the hosting for 15+ hours it had was an insane amount of pressure for the server. Anyone who has played even 5 mins of distension this last year could have predicted the outcome. But thats not even the most upsetting. Its the fact that you believe it should still be hosted a huge amount of hours and hopefully it wont recycle the server again. Which we all know is a joke because as said already the way to fix it is trial and error. So we (twd players) must screw over our hard earned games because who knows what distension might be doing at x amount of hours played. So until its actually fixed where its causing 0 disturbance to the zone why are we even discussing playing times. It should be back in beta mode in tw dev where it belongs.

I don't have the numbers, but I'm sure distension has had hundreds of games hosted thus far, with minimal number of interruptions to TWD.

This is complete bs. Ive played alot of dds and its easy to tell the difference. Maybe if you have tried a few dds while distension is running you might have more insight on it as well.

The Evolution Of Distension Thus Far In TW
1- Beta
2- Hosted extreme hours in tw
3- Servers crash
4- It must not be distension blah blah blah its some other problem
5- Proven by dug, mmav, qan that it is causing problems
6- Gonna hope to try and do minimal tweaking and hope it solves the problem

Future of distension
7- Tw crashes
8- Minimal tweaking
9- Tw crashes
10- Minimal tweaking
11- Moves to its own zone.

[kthx]

I don't think ?go tourny and ?go autosb are being given their fair chance at the pie here. I don't even log on when ?go tourny isn't on because the zone is boring and stupid and ?go tourny should be on 24/7 and then I would play 24/7 and the playerbase would go up and the zone would be fixed and screw twl who cares about the reason why this game is here today because I like ?go tourny and I want more ?go tourny right now. I think we need to have a better system for when ?go tourny is able to be hosted, how about instead of weekends only which is unfair because I can't always play on the weekends and need to keep my rating up, we make it 11-3 and 8-11 on monday-thursday, and then have it up 24/7 all weekend, and the same with Auto SB, how about we make that from 3-8pm monday-friday and also up 24/7 weekends.

?go tourny is a really popular event and by not letting it get hosted during the weekdays you are making it really hard to get ranked higher in it and without ?go tourny TW would die, you need us ?go tournians to fix this zone. So if you don't make ?go tourny and ?go autosb more playable for people then we are all going to quit this stupid game because it is the only reason we even play anymore because they are so much fun ok?

[Zeebu]

I don't think ?go tourny and ?go autosb are being given their fair chance at the pie here. I don't even log on when ?go tourny isn't on because the zone is boring and stupid and ?go tourny should be on 24/7 and then I would play 24/7 and the playerbase would go up and the zone would be fixed and screw twl who cares about the reason why this game is here today because I like ?go tourny and I want more ?go tourny right now. I think we need to have a better system for when ?go tourny is able to be hosted, how about instead of weekends only which is unfair because I can't always play on the weekends and need to keep my rating up, we make it 11-3 and 8-11 on monday-thursday, and then have it up 24/7 all weekend, and the same with Auto SB, how about we make that from 3-8pm monday-friday and also up 24/7 weekends.

?go tourny is a really popular event and by not letting it get hosted during the weekdays you are making it really hard to get ranked higher in it and without ?go tourny TW would die, you need us ?go tournians to fix this zone. So if you don't make ?go tourny and ?go autosb more playable for people then we are all going to quit this stupid game because it is the only reason we even play anymore because they are so much fun ok?

yeah. i pretty much agree with this.


also, kthx, go read my post in one of the other dist hater threads


edit: just wanted to say that the response to this will be something along the lines of : "shut up you dont know that. distension is totally new and it wont be like everything else in the rest of the zone. i jhave been playing at least 2 years and i know that it wont do what tourny did."

you know. something to that effect.

[HateTheFake]

I don't think ?go tourny and ?go autosb are being given their fair chance at the pie here. I don't even log on when ?go tourny isn't on because the zone is boring and stupid and ?go tourny should be on 24/7 and then I would play 24/7 and the playerbase would go up and the zone would be fixed and screw twl who cares about the reason why this game is here today because I like ?go tourny and I want more ?go tourny right now. I think we need to have a better system for when ?go tourny is able to be hosted, how about instead of weekends only which is unfair because I can't always play on the weekends and need to keep my rating up, we make it 11-3 and 8-11 on monday-thursday, and then have it up 24/7 all weekend, and the same with Auto SB, how about we make that from 3-8pm monday-friday and also up 24/7 weekends.

?go tourny is a really popular event and by not letting it get hosted during the weekdays you are making it really hard to get ranked higher in it and without ?go tourny TW would die, you need us ?go tournians to fix this zone. So if you don't make ?go tourny and ?go autosb more playable for people then we are all going to quit this stupid game because it is the only reason we even play anymore because they are so much fun ok?

Wow wark summed it up better in 2 paragraphs then i did in 2 posts ffs

[Capital Knockers]

HMS bud, from what I can see, Distension now has several timeslots - take the one on Sunday out entirely. There's no point, you're just alienating alot of old players by even having the CHANCE of TWL fucking up. Now I know waiting months on end for TWL and not having those many fuck ups and delays would be against tradition but come on. Dare I say we might be in a TWL season that ISN'T going to fuck up for a change? That might run smooth, and on time? Do you know how nice that would be, how many people want that? I love RPGs, and I love this game, but Distension is retarded. I see the fun in it, the point, the ups, etc. It just doesn't grab me at all.

To me it seems like, if you don't spend your time hunting down mods to host it, or being there for every last game, you aren't going to get very far. People are spending hours and hours gaining these RP points, and for what? There's no title at the end of it, no website with rankings. Really, no one except for the people inside destension know or care about the acheivments within it. Compare that to TWL. Everybody knows, everybody's there, everybody cares - for the most part. If it weren't for so many people that like distension, and the amount of time that was spent developing it, I'd say scrap it.

However for now that bottom line is really simple. Get. That. Fucking. Distension. Off. My. TWL. Sundays. Nobody cares if 'you PROBABLY won't end up hosting it on those days' - we really don't care, just take away the potential entirely. Scratch it off the timeslot list, give it another slot, whatever. Just get rid of the potential, because I can promise you, some crackhead distension addict WILL get convinced to host it before TWL, and possibly screw shit up.

[Zeebu]

HMS bud, from what I can see, Distension now has several timeslots - take the one on Sunday out entirely. There's no point, you're just alienating alot of old players by even having the CHANCE of TWL fucking up. Now I know waiting months on end for TWL and not having those many fuck ups and delays would be against tradition but come on. Dare I say we might be in a TWL season that ISN'T going to fuck up for a change? That might run smooth, and on time? Do you know how nice that would be, how many people want that? I love RPGs, and I love this game, but Distension is retarded. I see the fun in it, the point, the ups, etc. It just doesn't grab me at all.

To me it seems like, if you don't spend your time hunting down mods to host it, or being there for every last game, you aren't going to get very far. People are spending hours and hours gaining these RP points, and for what? There's no title at the end of it, no website with rankings. Really, no one except for the people outside destension know or care about the acheivments within it. Compare that to TWL. Everybody knows, everybody's there, everybody cares - for the most part. If it weren't for so many people that like distension, and the amount of time that was spent developing it, I'd say scrap it.

However for now that bottom line is really simple. Get. That. Fucking. Distension. Off. My. TWL. Sundays. Nobody cares if 'you PROBABLY won't end up hosting it on those days' - we really don't care, just take away the potential entirely. Scratch it off the timeslot list, give it another slot, whatever. Just get rid of the potential, because I can promise you, some crackhead distension addict WILL get convinced to host it before TWL, and possibly screw shit up.

in another thread i threw out the idea of having distension run in a couple sessions only for the year. during those sessions youd have winners and awards and whatnot at the end. in my opinion, run two 3 month distension 'leagues' if you will. space them out at opposite ends of year and sandwich twl in the middle of them.

[Liquid Blue]

I never said I'm doing the TWL population a favor, where the heck did you come up with this? At the same time I see no reason for them to serve us an injustice.

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And what HMS said-- the schedule's been slashed already, we concede some playing time (which is a small fraction of what we want) to appease you guys, quit asking for more. I guess it's true, you give a mouse a cookie..

And remember... The distensionites have given up over 50% of their fun for the zone. The least the zone can do for them is let them play when it IS the time.

Both those quotes make it sound like Distension players are doing the TWL population a favor by not having Distension hosted on Sundays, when it shouldn't even be considered to be hosted on the same day of a TWL match.

You're being served an injustice? If you feel it's unfair, that's a shame but it really doesn't matter. Distension does not have all the bugs worked out, it has been prone to cause server recycles and lag issues, therefore it should not be hosted before a TWL match. Period. It doesn't matter if that offends or annoys you, it's the simple facts. It doesn't matter how many people love Distension, or anything else, the fact is that TWL is a big deal for Trench Wars and it shouldn't have to deal with extra lag or a server recycle, just because a few Distension players wanted to get 2 more hours in before a TWL match.

Really? you think the half-dozen server recycles have cancelled anywhere near the # of games that reducing the Distension schedule has? It hasn't.

Doesn't matter, see above. I personally like Zeebu's idea (great way to keep up population of TW in the offseason of TWL) but regardless of how many games from the Distension schedule have been reduced, it should not be hosted before a TWL match. Work out another schedule if you have to, don't try to cram Distension and TWL on the same day, especially if Distension is known to be buggy.

Not to mention that the server recycles occasionally other times. Or that you can restart dds. i'm not saying that's ideal, but at least i'm not asking to limit your time.

You shouldn't even think of asking to limit the time of TWL, that's the whole point. Like kthx pointed out, it's been a highlight of TW for over 4 and a half years, the schedule for TWL shouldn't be moved around for a newcomer event like Distension, especially considering it only happens once a year.

What you don't seem to understand is that the distension players are doing everything they can to accomodate the TWL players, while the TWL players won't concede an inch, and have the ultimate goal of ruining our game.

You're fucking right, and they shouldn't concede in this case. It happens once a year, has been a tradition for years, is highly anticipated by numerous squads, and Distension is already being talked about going 24/7. Distension players can hop on these forums and discuss how to fix pub on Sundays, instead of trying to throw a big event for TW out of whack.

It's not about the Sunday time slot, it's about the HORRIBLE schedule, and REDUCING the overall playing time. Quit complaining about shit that affects you way less than it's affecting me. That's the sentiment with the distension players.

You guys need to coordinate a better schedule and try to work it out so it's accessible for everyone and not interfering with TWL. It's going to take alot of adjusting to get the schedule (and the code) working correctly, so you can either be patient and try to work it all out or try to upset one of the biggest events in the zone just because things aren't going smoothly in the beginning.

You guys complain about waiting 20 mins to find a dd (when it's like that anyway) but try getting up at 5 AM to play your favorite arena...

Boo fucking hoo, try waiting a year for TWL and having the server recycle or major lag upset some of the games because some guys want to collect rpg points for their spaceship for 2 hours.

[dako]

Hate the fake, stop licking wark's ballsack. You have no independant thoughts of your own, and the only thing you have against distension is it recycled you out of a couple dds. Its not like devest is going to be around for more than 3 weeks.

Its humorous the only people that have any problems whatsoever are the ones in TWL, and just want to draw a crowd of 100 people in ?go twld to watch them play.