Distension before TWL?

[HateTheFake]

Total Usage: 8511 hours 20 minutes
First played: 12-11-2001 12:3:21


On my main, mkay?

To savaged - the whole 24/7 thing is still up for debate. I've heard many people (staff, etc.) say the final step in distension is 24/7. However, I've also heard qan / other staff say distension will never be 24/7. So who knows.

http://trenchwars.org/index.php?v=pu...&sb.x=0&sb.y=0

[the_paul]

fixed

Way to prove Liquid's point. I'd recommend sitting out a few rounds of this argument, so as to not increase the damage you've already done to your cause.

[Jeenyuss]

i usually don't post in distension threads because something productive rarely happens, but what if distension is hosted for a long time on saturdays. twl is usually only on sundays so why not put more emphasis on saturday playing time? like 2 hours before a weekend event then 2 hours afterward as well or something.

[Depre]

Hate the fake, stop licking wark's ballsack. You have no independant thoughts of your own, and the only thing you have against distension is it recycled you out of a couple dds. Its not like devest is going to be around for more than 3 weeks.

Its humorous the only people that have any problems whatsoever are the ones in TWL, and just want to draw a crowd of 100 people in ?go twld to watch them play.

DaKo you don't seem to understand the whole essence of TWL. It has defined our zone, and has been the reason why many of us still play this game. In comparison to twd, twl doesn't differ much; a # of teams compete against each other in a quest to become the best. But it's the small things that make the league games so intriguing. The match outcomes and lineup predictions, the tension before games, the strategic discussions in the squad chat, the overwhelming need to shine in front of those 100+ live spectators that are watching and criticizing your game, the reputation you build for yourself, and trying to grasp that twl title and have your name imprinted in the history of trenchwars, and even the post-game drama. These are small, but precious things that we all desire as part of the twl tradition.

Distension is getting in the way. It is taking away the attention from what this zone was meant to be. Distension is not meant to be a part of this zone, and is only throwing us off our path while ruining the good old zone we all love. There is nothing special about distension. It is based on the same old concept of an RPG game. In fact it lacks a lot of fun features that other RPG games DO have. I think the reason some of you are so up the ass in that game is because of some case of RPG fetish. I've seen how some people are into rpg games. Take WoW for example... people are impersonating game characters and making fukin porn movies to which other WoW no-lifers actually jerk off. The moment people heard of distension and how you can level up and upgrade in it, they went nuts. NO WAY, YOU CAN LEVEL??? YOU CAN UPGRADE??? MUST START PLAYING ASAP!. What's even worse is that people are typing fukin long essays on forums, fantasizing about distension, probably having orgasms while they're at it.

Distension is limited in its gameplay by the sole features of the Continuum itself, it will die off because people will get bored of it.

Distension has no significance in this zone. Perhaps you should move it to another. And if not, make sure you keep beyond the twl horizon.

[Stabwound]

Staff should look at changing the Distension schedule on weekends...

...once supporters of this movement begin posting actual reasons and proof that this is an issue, rather than hearsay, wild claims, and "proof" which actually proves absolutely nothing.

I'd be against running it during TWL games, or if it actually causes trouble even after qan's recent fixes (which seem to have been a success), but I have no idea what type of issue could possibly arise due to the bot being run and shut off a full hour before the first TWL time slot (which, I believe, is one not often used). It should be noted that, in general, there is very little overlap between the TWL and Distension playerbases, so I don't believe it would affect squad activity much, especially considering the hour gap.

Also, I play both TWL and Distension, unlike almost everyone else that is on either side of this issue, and I really don't think this whole thing is even worth bringing up. If the bot does happen to be the cause of a recycle or lag problems (which I do not think it will) then yeah, I'd agree to change it. Until then, though, I'm against it.

edit: someone should check the server load and bandwidth usage of the zone while Distension is in full swing, and compare it to regular hours, but then again, I don't even know if anyone other than PriitK could do that.

[H.M.S. Stargazer]

I've always agreed with this. TW should have a calender for each year, what we can expect when. It shouldn't be too difficult to set something like that up either.
TWL --> Draft league(s) (I'd say split dueling/basing so you can have more (stable) teams instead of these '3 league teams', TWD/TWL show how difficult it is for a 3 league squad to stay around, expecting the same of a 'draft team' is ludicrous) --> BWC (could also be Dueling-worldcups) or have TWEL/Tourny-playoffs-thingy at the same time for duelers. --> Last few months of TWL-qualification should be getting near again, throw in some 'special' big weekend events (small strikeball/warzone tourny or something fun) --> and TWL again.

Oh forgot about Distension. Oops.

http://forums.trenchwars.org/showpos...60&postcount=1

[Exalt]

if distension ruins TWL, you will see a VERY large majority of trenchwars quit this game for good, and then you are fucked, and whoever made you staff and allowed you to let distension ruin TWL will immediately regret it

if you want a 2d spaceship online rpg then go play magic kingdom zone, gtfo of tw

distension just ruins the newer generation of players by having them play that garbage and gain no skill, and never take over for when the older generation retires, if they wanna play it fine, but not during TWL sunday, thats OUR time, the players that have played this game for 10 years that are the real backbone of this game

people like stargazer dont care because they have no actuall skill in this zone, with the only thing they can do is staff... yet they do not understand the whole point of trenchwars or the reasons the majority have stayed here for over a decade



the whole arguement here is that distension lags the zone and causes recycles.... and TWL should not be compromised because of an event... therefore your only real solution if you had any brains is to fix the distension bots once and for all, and play test it nonstop OUTSIDE of TWL sunday... THEN once its fixed go ahead and do w/e u want with it....

also realize once distension goes 24/7, expect it to be dead in a year just like every other event.... and expect TWL to STILL be here, and if its not then trenchwars will be a dead zone anyway

[Vehicle]

I've played both TWL and Distension so I would like to think I have a balanced frame of reference.

I'd like to start off by saying I agree Distension shouldn't run before TWL. I've stated the reasons why and countless others have beaten it to death so I'll be plain and simple: distension is the current cause of some server lag/recycles (sorry cheese and Dank, it's true) and the pre-TWL times should be as conducive to practice as possible.

Jeenyus had a good suggestion and one that's worth reposting: have distension on Saturdays. Now I'm aware that some TWL games could fall on a Saturday, but the fact of the matter is that Saturday's are largely TWL free, let distension players have a few hours then and in return you'll get Sunday to yourselves.

As far as the whole 'will Distension run 24/7' debate, let's bake the cookies before we start scarfing them down.

Depre makes a good point, which is that TWL is the lifeblood of our zone. For those of you who have no interest in TWL and never had this seems untrue, unfortunately you are the minority and you need to recognize that. However, for those of you diehard nerds who are like 'omfg, get my name in the top left on twld,' not everyone is like you either. There are a substantial amount of players, albeit a minority, who play pubs, hosted events, elims, etc. I personally think they too deserve some piece of the pie.

With all of this being said the problem boils down to this: scheduling.

I think it's been made clear that Upper Staff, whom I do not speak for, have no clue what to do about this. They've tried half-heartedly sticking to a schedule allowing for distension to run 15 hours a day and the TWD/TWL crowd was up in arms, and rightfully so. Their response was to severely limit the Distension times in their first round of rescheduling (the 12-10AM 8-10PM schedule) to the point where certain time zones were completely cut out of the equation. What they've developed now is a healthy attempt at a medium.

While even this new schedule has its flaws (IE: TWL times and the fact that people like me with jobs have to change their sleeping patterns to play) I find it hard to argue that it isn't an improvement from the original, or even 2nd generation, schedule. However, I don't think this schedule will be here for the long haul and so I don't think it's worth you guys getting all pissed off.

The last thing I want to say is this: a Distension league is just a shitty veiled attempt to push distension into the off-season so you pros don't have to deal with it. It would be unfair to the community that has been built around distension to say it can only be played 3 months out of the year. And before you say 'well TWL is only 4 months long,' you have TWD which is pretty much the same thing.

Whatever the final decision is, we all have to know that not everyone is going to be happy. In fact, I think the best solution could be one that no one is happy with.

[H.M.S. Stargazer]

Due to the server crash, I now have sufficient proof that TWL is at risk.

To all distension players: The 10-12pm slot will not be hosted on sundays. It will not be rescheduled.

[HateTheFake]

finally

[Salubrious]

Due to the server crash, I now have sufficient proof that TWL is at risk.

To all distension players: The 10-12pm slot will not be hosted on sundays. It will not be rescheduled.

reminds me of American politics

"Hey let's not do anything until something really bad happens (i.e. the server completely crashes), because otherwise we won't have enough proof that something really bad might happen!"

But seriously, good decision.

[Zerzera]

Fuck Distension and fuck HMS. First you run your piece of crap distension-bot which causes the whole automated part of the zone to die, then you also refuse to keep one public pure manually. You are a distension centric asshole, you never think of other people enjoying different aspects of the game? Get that cancer out of Trench Wars pleaase!

Now the whole zone is laggy and I get DC's because of this shit I never want to be part of. You willingly run buggy code without testing it somewhere else, how is that different from any other DoS.

[H.M.S. Stargazer]

Fuck Distension and fuck HMS. First you run your piece of crap distension-bot which causes the whole automated part of the zone to die, then you also refuse to keep one public pure manually. You are a distension centric asshole, you never think of other people enjoying different aspects of the game? Get that cancer out of Trench Wars pleaase!

Now the whole zone is laggy and I get DC's because of this shit I never want to be part of. You willingly run buggy code without testing it somewhere else, how is that different from any other DoS.

Umm, I play .?go tourny too. And I always host other events (not just twisted I do acro too )events. Sooo its not JUST about Distension :P

[Da1andonly]

dako, who are you? what do you play? what squad will you be on next week?

[Codeman!]

If and when TWL dies, more than 5 people will play distension to the end of the zone. People who don't understand that learning to play in pubs is boring, pointless, and takes much longer considering the skill curve...well, they are vets. If dbot has the power to crash the zone or produce negative s2c, how could that matter running HOURS prior to TWL?
I dont think HMS is particularly arrogant about all of this, nor is he jaded by a lack of skills. I think just as a hundred others may, that he's just caught up in the buzz of OUR something, so brand new, innovative, and binding half of pubs to something which will elevate all competition, whether vet-oriented or not.
It seems clear the +-20h/w schedule will be lame enough to prompt a full 24/7 one, and that the TWLers demand distension wait, but I don't think the loss of popular opinion in the remaining quintet of decent squads will stop anything from anything. They will carry on their bullshit legacies, and enliven the newbies in their wake, regardless. The only shit in the fan is the dbots server integrity. Dumb it down to ?go base capacity. The red headed step child lives on.