Staff is full of sh..

[Sufficient]

This will just open the floodgates for ?cheater calls in league basing games. I hope you're happy Light. I think that people will start ?cheater fbz very soon even if he isn't cheating.

[TelC@t]

Re: heh

Originally posted by DemonicTW
1) I did the *spec command is correct ...... I wouldnt spec danyal without permission from a smod first and like i said it also happened to be the twl op. And 3 staffers were involved during the entire process not just one

You know its against the rule to do *spec while the squad you are in is playing. If there were 3 staffers aware of the problem, why didn't you request one of the other staff members to do it???

WHY?!??

Originally posted by DemonicTW
but he had 7.5c2s AND 7.1 Weapons ploss, which is amazingly high, and made it virtually impossible

I have to admit, it was a pretty bad lag. But what's the ploss limit in TW? Why didn't he lag out if he had c2s7.5%???
I lag at at ploss of 3.0% constantly ... I don't know how is it possible if he consistently had c2s7.5% he could still play TWDB?

[Azhran]

I'm guessing it has the same ploss limit as pub, which is 13%... I think

[Arcane Tactics]

Re: heh

Originally posted by DemonicTW
God, reading through all these posts makes me laugh. ok taking all the pile of rubbish thats been stated in order

1) I did the *spec command is correct, however i called the TWL op to check before i did anything, so, i think he knows what to do a little bit better then anyone else, danyals ping was fine, about 200ms i believe, but he had 7.5c2s AND 7.1 Weapons ploss, which is amazingly high, and made it virtually impossible

According to mythrandir's post (twd rules are down), lag limits for twbd are 500ms and 13% ploss.

2) hmm...still thinking

Keep up the good work.

[GuruMeditation]

These of course are the lag limits for TWBD we're talking about, not TWDD.

[Pio]

Originally posted by brookus
Anti-Scrub played against crips after said match with Dan in jav. He was quite laggy, but from what I could tell it seemed like he was getting as bad as he was giving. Meaning that I'm sure we seemed to eat a lot of bombs on his screen.

Frankly, I'm stunned that any squad that uses Fireballz could insult another squad's lag. Fbz can spike so badly that he can eat 10 bullets. Isn't this common knowledge?

As I've said before, any squad (including A-S) complaining about lag in this TWLB is just being hypocritical. Every squad I've seen has at least one laggy shark, and usually a laggy jav. It seems like those are the positions in which squads put their laggiest players. The squad that has the worst lag/spikes but can avoid getting specced will win TWLB.

So, essentially Light better get used to lag. Now you know how we feel when we play you. And now you know how everyone felt against 2dragons last season.

Edit: I just realized that Demonic did the speccing? Is this even allowed? Shouldn't a neutral mod/smod been required to make the call on lag between two squads? If this isn't the case, I suggest every squad with a mod just spec fireballz during any match with Light. Problem solved.

llater,
Tony

This crap has happend before when we played Melee, except it was Randedl speccing people. This completely fucked the whole game up. I agree that the speccing staff member shoudln't be on either squad, would just be fair to do it that way.

Later,

Pio

[DanyalDenyo]

Originally posted by Mythrandir
TWDD:
400ms and 5% ploss

TWJD:
400ms and 13% ploss (might change)

TWBD:
500ms and 13% ploss


most likely.

then why did i get *spec'd?
and spam, how was it not an abuse? (see the rules above)

[Dark Commando]

They fear you dazn :/ Spec dan or we'll lose.

GG NO RE

[Mr. Spam]

Originally posted by DanyalDenyo
then why did i get *spec'd?
and spam, how was it not an abuse? (see the rules above)

Those aren't rules.. those are just the lag limits set in the arenas. However people can badly lag and not have much ploss or hit those high of numbers. So it's not abuse to be *specced if a staffer things you are lagging too much because upper staff made that a new rule.

The trouble is, it's all based on opinion and people are bound to get pissed... but there is no other good alternative, except having the staffers be more relaxed on who they spec and actually look for lag cheaters instead of people who allways lag because of thier sucky connection. Like your lag is not as bad as most lag cheaters I have seen. But it just boils down to the staffers opinion. Now the way my connection used to suck, I was worse then most lag cheaters... so there is no good answer here.

[TelC@t]

Originally posted by Mr. Spam
Those aren't rules.. those are just the lag limits set in the arenas .

I don't really know why those lag limits are even there since they have no real use ... because if I were a upper staffer, I could spec people at any lag I want to

Originally posted by Mr. Spam
because upper staff made that a new rule.

Wah, that's amazing!

Upper Staff member: I am not abuse my power, because I have just made a new rule that makes my action legal.

Originally posted by Mr. Spam
The trouble is, it's all based on opinion and people are bound to get pissed ... so there is no good answer here.

Are you really stupid or do you just pretend to be ignorant?

Two measures of the lag is 1) packet loss 2) ping

If your ping is constantly under 200ms and your c2s s2c ploss are never higher than 0.1%. Tell me, how the heck could you possibly be lagging badly?

Why can't TWD and TWL just set tighter lag rules and stick to them. AND NO ONE CAN BE SPECCED IF THOSE LAG RESTRICTIONS HAVEN'T BEEN BROKEN?

But you know what? I have a better idea ... HEY SQUADS WITH UPPER STAFFERS, WHY DON'T YOU JUST SPEC THE OTHER SQUAD WHEN YOUR SQUAD IS PLAYING ... YOU WOULD GAIN THE APPROVAL AND PROTECTIONS FROM OTHER STAFFERS ANYWAYS ... AND LETS MAKE NEW RULES WHENEVER THEY SUITS YOU.

[Fit of Rage]

Incredible. Even after you edit your post, your grammar still sucks.

I think the lag limits are fine, with the exception of Jav league, which, as already stated, might be changed to mimic that of Dueling league. My two cents...

[Mr. Spam]

Originally posted by TelC@t
Are you really stupid or do you just pretend to be ignorant?

Two measures of the lag is 1) packet loss 2) ping

If your ping is constantly under 200ms and your c2s s2c ploss are never higher than 0.1%. Tell me, how the heck could you possibly be lagging badly?
[/B]

You should be talking to yourself with that first line... it's quite possible to have packetloss and a decent ping or vise versa... most of the lag that is bad anyway is spikage.

I dunno why you are yelling at me for, I was just explaining the situation and am no longer on staff... go cry to someone else about how you think smods abuse.

[TelC@t]

Originally posted by Mr. Spam
You should be taking to yourself with that first line... it's quite possible to have packetloss and a decent ping or vise versa... most of the lag that is bad anyway is spikage.

spikage = sudden high ploss

ploss will go back to normal after the spike.

maybe you should study a bit more about telecom before you talk to a telco graduate?

BTW, I have nothing against you, but I do find some staff/ex staff stupid.

[Mr. Spam]

well as most everyone knows, spikes do not normally show up in s2c/c2s ploss as they are short in time compared to the entire user's session. Easiest way to tell is to look at pings times to see spikes, but those are usually easiest to see on your screen as the player's ship jumps around.

[Facetious]

TelCat, you're still an idiot.

Two points that I think are valid:

Point 1: Even if Demonic requested a smod's permission to spec Danyal, the fact that Demonic was a mod herself really must have sped up the process a good deal. Would Demonic have been so urgent to spec Danyal if Crips had been beating up on *T.R.L*? I doubt it.

Point 2 (really the most valid point in this thread): fireballz